E-350 Type III ambulance conversion- Retired 2

retiredmedic

New member
First, I have to say that my hair brained scheme of converting some or all of a retired ambulance into a camper seems much more reasonable after seeing the results of some similar projects on here; Some amazing talent involved in some very cool conversions, I feel like a rank amateur to attempt this when looking at other projects, but also I feel I am on the right track.

The back story- We lost our camper to fire a couple years ago, and have not been able to replace it due to finances. I miss having it, especially when I want to travel and stay with friends away from my home. I have severe PTSD from line of duty, serving as a civilian Flight Paramedic, and having my own personal space when I travel makes things a LOT easier for a lot of reasons. The back of an ambulance was always my safe place, my “office”, and using a space like this for travel makes sense to me.

I recently saw an old ambulance box in someones yard when we were travelling in Maine, and thought it would be a great project to mount this on a trailer and use it as a tow behind camper. When I finally went back to ask about it, it was sold as scrap and was disassembled by the time I found it, so I turned to looking for another box in Neighbouring Maine, as all ambulances in New Brunswick are leased Type II vehicles that are resold to other areas after they are in service for a few years, so they were out of my price range and a little small. The only lead I found was a full Type III ambulance for sale by a small town by sealed bid, so I submitted a bid for $1,111 not expecting to win, but I included a note that said “If I am not the successful bidder, please tell the winner that I am interested in buying the rear box if they have no use for it”. I reasoned someone would buy the old ambulance to convert to a flat deck or dump truck and would not likely want the box. Weeks went by, and I forgot about it, thinking it was bought by someone else.

Out of the blue, I received a call from the town clerk to tell me I was the high bidder! I drove down the next day to pay for the unit, and take my first in-person look. For a 21 year old unit, it looked to be in great shape. I knew it had tranny issues, but it would drive for short distances, and the diesel engine started easily and ran flawlessly. At first, I thought I could take the whole rig across the border and sell the chassis to offset the camper project, but decided to take some time to think on it, as it would take a couple weeks to get the paperwork finished up and complete the export to Canada.

I opted to have the unit towed the two hour drive to the border, drive it across to complete the export/ import, then drive it a short distance on the highway to see how badly the tranny was slipping and re-assess if it needed to be towed or was OK to drive the 1.5 hours home. It performed fairly well on the highway at 55 mph (90 km/hr-ish), so I kept it going until it arrived home, without issues. It did slip occasionally, but I got a better feel for how it behaved in different circumstances. The drive also impressed me in terms of how well the truck handled… I was used to Type II trucks that had rough rides, but this thing rode like a Cadillac. It felt “homey”, and I thought keeping the unit intact and converting it to my needs made the most sense.

This is a picture of how it is sitting in my yard, more details to follow in another post. I am hoping that other folks on here may contribute a hint or tip as I progress. IMG_1605.jpg
 

retiredmedic

New member
Specs

OK, I guess the specs are a good place to start...

Chassis- 1993 Ford E-350 RV cutaway
Engine- 7.3 IDI diesel
Tranny- E4OD, 4.10 rears
Module- Medtech ambulance corp., completed 4/1994
Usage- 87,000 original miles, with 5700 hours showing on the meter.

Known issues-
* Transmission. It appears that the torque converter is slipping, known issue and weak spot for these rigs. Would like to source a solid replacement. Remainder of the tranny appears to function properly, but will have it looked at closely during converter replacement.
* Cab mounts- Should be replaced
* Brake lines- rusty and looking sketchy, will be replaced
* Engine hard starting when warm- Looks like a common issue for the IH 7.3 IDI, but easily fixed with new injectors, glow plugs. I plan to put in a new, better glow plug relay when the above are changed out. Good news is parts for this engine are MUCH cheaper when compared to the Powerstroke.
* A/C- needs to be recharged.

Apart from that, the entire vehicle is pretty much intact and functional. It is apparent that the unit was cared for and maintained on a regular basis.


Design considerations-
* Would be nice to keep the centre aisle open full-width (48") to be able to haul my ATV.
* Need a sleeping arrangement that can be used without too much fiddling. If I have a severe ramp-up in my PTSD symptoms while travelling, I need to be able to pull over, have a nap, and regenerate with as little delay as possible. The sooner this happens, the better I am able to deal with it. Having to put together a bunk or frig with converting an area from day use to sleeping arrangements is bad.
* I want to re-use as much of the existing fixtures and cabinetry as possible, to reduce cost and workload as much as possible.
* Would be nice to add a couple extra seating positions to allow my wife and possibly a kid or two to travel with us at times (for purposes of travel only, camping functions will be designed around one or two people only).
* Would like to have very simplified water handling onboard.
* Need to have off-grid camping ability.
* We live in an area that has a LOT of heavy industry (considered one of the most dangerous places in Canada), being able to be self contained and have a SAFE bug-out vehicle is desirable.

Wish list/ tentative plan-
* Sleeping- Make a steel frame for a full sized mattress that will hinge at the bottom and fold up flush to the passenger side wall. Would have been nice to have a futon in this area, but it intrudes into the centre aisle too much. The mattress in a solid frame that folds against the wall is a great solution for sleeping, but does not contribute to seating in day usage.
* Cabinetry, Drivers side- Will be left intact for the most part, but want to install a DC fridge in one of the rear cabinets. The countertop will be extended over the CPR seat (seat inset into the driver side cabinets), will put a sink and small 5 - 10 gallon fresh tank in somewhere. Possibly a microwave near the ceiling in the CPR seat area. Stove will be a removable Coleman stove, with a range hood somewhere in the cabinets. Dry flush toilet that can be hauled out if/ when needed.
* Want to keep the attendant area behind the drivers side bulkhead close to stock, to give me a little work area and reduce complexity in messing with electrical. Want to replace the wooden box style seat with a proper vehicle seat for comfort and safety and to add to seating capacity for day use.
* Would like to take out the pass-through cabinets behind the passenger side bulkhead, remove the passenger side bulkhead to open up things a bit, and put some type of chair in the same area. Would like to leave the the A/C and heat cabinet above the passenger side bulkhead area intact.
* Would like to add a house battery for the rear compartment, topped up with solar as well as vehicle when it is running. Must be isolated from the vehicle batteries, so we can have power in the rear when camping without killing the starting batteries. An inverter is present but not operational, this will be explored. Shore power works correctly.
* Would like to add a window on the Drivers side somewhere near the sink.
* Would like to add a rooftop A/C unit or small A/C heat pump that can run off inverter or shore power with automatic cut-over.
* The electrical cabinet behind the drivers side bulkhead will be left mostly untouched.
* All emergency lights will remain (but circuit breakers pulled) to keep a mostly stock look, with the exception of the lightbar on the front of th box; considering changing this to a long LED lightbar for extra light on country roads.

The attached picture shows how it currently looks; it is a panoramic picture to try to fit in as much as possible.
IMG_1629.jpeg
 

retiredmedic

New member
First big question; Does anyone have any experience with what *might* be in the passenger side bulkhead, between the front and rear cab? Wondering if it is likely to possibly find a few stray wires for the cabinet lights only, or if there is typically a mess of stuff in the bulkhead? I am looking at removing the pass through cabinets as well as the bulkhead to open things up. Any thoughts would be appreciated. IMG_1608.jpg
 

cjken

Explorer
Most of my wiring runs up the drivers side of the box.
My pass side has just the ac unit on top and storage cabinets
I'll look closer to see if there is any wiring there b
 

tgreening

Expedition Leader
If it's anything like mine, under that little bench is probably a vacuum pump and a vanner charger. The cabinet right above will have a cubic *** load of wires and relays and such, as will the horizontal cabinet over the pass through. I look at mine and can't understand how it required so effing much wire to run a handful of lights, a fan, and a vacuum pump, but there it is.
 

tribeof5

Adventurer
My passenger side bulkhead housed the original AC unit and some cabinets similar to yours. However, the top cabinet was a very shallow one. I removed the AC unit and the top cabinet only. Doing so opened a lot of usable storage space.
 

huskyhauler

Adventurer
First big question; Does anyone have any experience with what *might* be in the passenger side bulkhead, between the front and rear cab? Wondering if it is likely to possibly find a few stray wires for the cabinet lights only, or if there is typically a mess of stuff in the bulkhead? I am looking at removing the pass through cabinets as well as the bulkhead to open things up. Any thoughts would be appreciated. View attachment 299651

That box with the vents on the passenger bulkhead is your heater/AC. It's likely connected to your motor via coolant and ac lines. The locking cabinet above the pass through likely houses a mess of organized wiring and automotive fuses. You will likely be able to remove the pass through lower cabinets and the heater/ac unit, but unless you are really, really handy with automotive wiring rats nests I wouldn't touch the mess of fuses and wires.

I also am not sure how much it will open things up given the seats are directly behind the cabinets. It will allow more light to enter, but you can always open the rear doors to let in more light. I actually like the cabinets at the pass through and have found them to be indispensable for additional storage on longer trips. I have a similar layout in regards to cabinet design in my rig.

Side note, you will eventually learn to stand up with your head and neck cocked sideways enough to not bonk your head, but it'll take a few good whacks on the rail in the middle to intuitively learn where that is in relation to where you are standing.
 

huskyhauler

Adventurer
Also, congrats on the Ambo build! It's good to have another in the works.

A couple of notes:

Make sure to paint any red lights that are not on the rear of the vehicle a legal color. Remove/cover the Fire and Rescue, 911 decals. This will ensure you won't be hassled for impersonating emergency personnel.

For a bed, you may consider a pull-out slat-style bed similar to this one: http://deepredmotorhome.com/bed.php It will allow bench seating when not in use and simply pulls out to a full size bed without any fuss. I noticed you said you needed to be able to pull over and nap without any fuss, so you should explore a solution that will allow you to do so with your ATV in tow. A slat style bed may allow this because while you won't be able to pull the bed out, you can sleep on the bench part like a couch.

I put my mini fridge in the cabinet to the right of the pass through. The cabinet is exactly long enough and allows it to sit flush while not taking up any counter space. Since you are considering a portable stovetop you may think about picking up a propane stove/oven combo like this: http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-Camping-Outdoor-Burner/dp/B0013LLSZG

We made a vessel-style above counter sink as we didn't want to cut into any outside cabinets that would have been in the way.

I kept the CPR seat available as it has a seatbelt, but in reality have never used it to transport people. It's also incredible uncomfortable for an adult but it may work for a kid. If you plan on adding a jump seat in the back make sure to load up your quad first to see how much room is left over. It's surprising how quickly that space is filled. We have two trail 90 motorcycles and ended up removing the jump seat that came with ours to make more room for the dogs and gear during transit.

Fire any questions away. There are also a couple of really good ambulance specific threads. Browse through these:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...dition-Rig-Conversion-FAQ?highlight=ambulance

http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...f-your-Ambulance-Post-Up!?highlight=ambulance

They may answer some questions, spark some ideas, or bring up new questions.
 

Ozrockrat

Expedition Leader
Checkout these guys for the foldup couch / bed. https://www.blazinbelltech.com/furniture.html

For the 3rd seat in the front I used the center seat section from the 2nd row of a Honda Odyssey. But that was with an toddler. Now she is bigger we use the center console seat from an F550 because it has a builtin seat belt. Biggest hassle is you will need to open up the pass through to get the middle seat back far enough to give some leg room to the center passenger.

Another tip is that they use very good ply when building these things. If you want a little more homely interior you can use a heat gun to remove the laminate and then sand / oil or varnish the ply.
 

NEPolarbear

Observer
My buildout isn't finished, but this is what it looks like behind the driver and passenger.
Took everything out.
 

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