fill me in on the realties

After dragging my tent trailer allover barely being able to climb grades in so cal high ways I and ironically my wife are interested in RTTs so please fill me in what do you like? what don't you like? Is it a pain to put away overtime you want to go somewhere? is the set up really that easy? how about mileage. And specifically the Yakima sky rise any first hand knowledge that is the one my wife likes.
 

unsub1

New member
I've had my Skyrise for a few weeks now and have only tested it here at the house in torrential rain and driving around with it on top of my Outback. Def feel it up there but nothing too crazy at all. Glad I upgraded the sway bar though. Tent seems awesome. Glad I waited for the 2nd wave of them as they seemed to work out their QA issues. Taking it out camping for a mountain bike race next weekend and then to the mountains a couple weeks later.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
The trailer lets you set up base camp then do day trips. An rtt on the car/truck changes the the base camp approach given it gets packed up anytime you use the rig.

What are you dragging? How about a lighter smaller less RV tent trailer? We have the original lifetime 4x6 tent trailer. Most CA trips we use the 2.5L cvt Subaru limited. Two kids two adults plus gear. Trailer packed runs about 1200-1300lbs. The Subaru hauls that weight near perfectly 18-21mpg depending if we have mt bikes on the roof. At 65-70mph. Sierra trips the Subaru does ok but we typically take the Sequoia on those steep trips.

How about the classic Jumping Jack trailer? 1200lbs empty. It's far lighter and smaller drag profile than the typical pop up rv.
 

Airmapper

Inactive Member
It's a love/hate thing for me.

After watching my cousin set up and take down a ground tent, even though it is way up in the air and hard to reach, I don't have to spend an hour folding tarp, folding tent, and messing with a cold air mattress like he does. I got the RTT for comfort, and for it's awkwardness at times it is a nice place to sleep. It's sometimes kinda a bother to set up because everything is way up over you, but compared to alternatives it's a breeze.

It is kinda a pain to be camping in the same place for a few days and have to take down and put up repeatedly. But really the more I do it the smoother I get and am getting to where I can be set up or take down in 15 min or less.

Now a RTT can transfer from roof to trailer of you set it up properly. It's a pain to move around but if you have time to plan ahead and a helper it's not terrible. I think I'll move to that eventually for the best of both. Roof if I'm moving every day, trailer if I'm staying put in one spot several nights.

One thing I'm finding to be an issue is I'm too tall for some places, like tight wooded trails. Everyone else can slide under but I have to lean out the window and check. I had to turn around one time for a big tree leaning over the trail.
 

malibubts

Adventurer
After watching my cousin set up and take down a ground tent, even though it is way up in the air and hard to reach, I don't have to spend an hour folding tarp, folding tent, and messing with a cold air mattress like he does.

A good ground tent makes a huge difference. I split time between my camper shell and my ground tent and have an REI Half Dome 2. It's a smaller tent (2 man), but I can get it setup or torn down in about 15 minutes. All I have is a footprint (not always needed), 3 poles, tent, and fly. The bag also fits the whole tent without any issues when packing back up.

Not trying to knock on the RTTs or anything, but if someone has a bad experience with a lower-end tent it can be very different with a better tent.
 

freshlikesushi

Free Candy
A good ground tent makes a huge difference. I split time between my camper shell and my ground tent and have an REI Half Dome 2. It's a smaller tent (2 man), but I can get it setup or torn down in about 15 minutes. All I have is a footprint (not always needed), 3 poles, tent, and fly. The bag also fits the whole tent without any issues when packing back up.

Not trying to knock on the RTTs or anything, but if someone has a bad experience with a lower-end tent it can be very different with a better tent.

except you arent factoring in taking out the sleeping pad, sleeping bag, and then rolling them up again. That actually takes more time than my tent does (big agnes 3 person). My James Baroud i just close it and go. Plus nothing is wet really, so when i pack out again for another night, nothing is soaking wet.
 

ducktapeguy

Adventurer
It can be a hassle at times, but it's still awesome. A lot of depends on the type of camping you do, the type of terrain you go on, what kind of tent you get, your vehicle, and a million other things. So what might be a complete waste of money for one person can be the ideal setup for another. I just spend 4 days in Death Valley with my RTT on top of an FJ40, the so the reality of using one is still fresh in my mind.

My reality:

They're heavy. No question it's makes a vehicle top heavy, but the effect can be anywhere from extreme to minor. A tall, top heavy, underpowered, short wheelbase vehicle like an older jeep or FJ40 is probably the most inappropriate vehicle for a RTT, and I wouldn't recommend buying one for that purpose. Can be done, but the effect on handling is very dramatic. If you do a lot of off camber trail crawling, it's going to suck. Going over Cajon pass with a headwind feels like you have a parachute on your car. Mileage will suffer. However, on a newer, lower CG car, a RTT is almost unnoticable. I've had mine on a subaru and minivan and other than some wind noise I don't really know it's up there.

They're expensive. Per square foot it's probably the most expensive means of shelter

Can be a pain to install. It's possible, but not easy, to install one solo on a lower vehicle. One person with a hoist is ok, but not quick. Two tall people make it fairly painless. If you have a dedicated camping vehicle and a tall enough garage to park in where the tent stays attached, it's not a problem. If you use it on your daily driver and have to install and uninstall every trip, it's a pain. On my last day in DV, I had a really long drive back, so I actually removed my tent and threw it in the back of my friends 4runner. The 20 minutes I spent takin off the 4 bolts probably saved me a couple hours in driving time.

They are sometimes easy to setup, sometimes not. For a folding RTT, can be anywhere from 1-10 minutes (or more if you want to add the annex) a lot of it depends on how tall you are in relation to your vehicle. Some of the new ground tents setup extremely quick, so at best they're about equal in time to setup, but the RTT has the advantage that your sleeping arrangements are already contained in the tent once it's setup, so you don't have to deal with sleeping bags, mattresses or cots. At worst case, a short person with a tall vehicle, the tent is going to be a hassle unless you are comfortable climbing on your vehicle or have a ladder. It's still slightly quicker to setup than an older style, family size tent. The hardshell seem much quicker and easier, but I've never used one.

Finding a decent tent site is no problem. I don't have to worry about rocks, bushes, thorns, anthills, mud, whatever. As long as I can get the vehicle fairly flat, I can setup a tent. Even on a slope, it's easy to level the car by stacking rocks or firewood, compared to finding a flat spot for a ground tent. The mattress covers 100% of the floor so no sliding off the mattress onto a rock in the middle of the night.

Stays cleaner. It's not on the ground, so mud isn't a problem. Also seems to get less dirt in, maybe because it's higher off the ground? I don't know the exact reason why, but I don't have to sweep it out as often.

There are some intangible benefits to a RTT that you won't undertstand until you use one. One, It's just cool. There's just something about being off the ground that excites the inner kid in me, it's like sleeping in a treehouse. My family loves it, which means I get to go camping a lot more. I know some people see fun and comfort as a weakness, but the wife and kids aren't interested in proving how tough they are by sleeping on the ground, all they care about is enjoying themselves, and the RTT is definitely fun. Two, there is some sense of security to being off the ground. I don't think there's any practical security benefits to a RTT, but even the false sense of comfort is great when you have kids camping out in the middle of nowhere.


I've only seen the Yakima skyrise at REI, haven't used one personally. I was really excited before they came out, I thought about trading my Tepui for one. But after seeing it in person and looking at the reviews, I'm not all that impressed. What I was really hoping for was a better mounting system to the cross rails. The yakima looks more convenient, but it's also much taller than the current mounting brackets, which I didn't like. Also, I thought it would be much lighter than the existing tents. But it's only 10-15 lbs lighter than a comparable canvas RTT, so the tradeoff in durability doesn't seem worth it for that small of a weight savings.
 

CSG

Explorer
I was soooo into the idea of a RTT for my Lexus Land Cruiser until I actually messed around with one. A local fellow had a Maggiolina on his Land Cruiser and, at first, I was so impressed until I climbed up and down the ladder a few times, realized the mattress (for me) sucked so I'd have to pull it out and replace it with something else, it was crazy money for what it really is, required a new roof rack, changed the CoG and handling (according to the owner) and would have to stay on my rig fulltime but the rig would need to be parked outside as I wouldn't be able to get in my garage.

I'd rather get a small Oztent or just curl up in the back of the LLC even though it's too short for my height.
 
not messing with the jeep

It has lifetime power train warranty that covers everything for the exhaust manifolds to the driveshafts engine tranny and transfer I have 160,000 miles on it but it works like a champ.
 

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