Found XP Camper V1e with 1 ton truck but 700 lbs over GVWR...

[84FLH]

Talked an hour with owner by phone. He is very knowledgeable about his rig. Has had it 8 years. Been all over USA. Never a problem.

2017 XP V1 with XP tray. 2016 F350 SD XLT. 6.7 diesel. Detroit Tru Trac up front and FX4 locker rear. Icons. Helwig Big Wig. Custom leafs.

In 2017 he had truck and camper weighed with full tank and 35 gallons of water. No food, gear, etc.

Total weight was 720 lbs over door sticker GVWR of 11,300 lbs. Front and rear axle weights, though we're just under door sticker rating.

I would likely add 500 lbs more: me at 180 lbs, 4 drawer tool chest of sockets, wrenches, etc, camping gear, clothes, food, etc. That would put me 1,200 lbs over GVWR.

Everything I've read about truck campers said #1 rule is stay under GVWR. As a first time TC buyer I want to and should abide by that rule.

I also really like this rig as it checks the majority of my boxes for full timing 6-12 months when I retire spring 2027.

If this F350 SD rig is overweight, then Dodge 3500, GMC 3500, and Chevy 1 ton rigs are also overweight.

How can this be?

Appreciate all input and advice on whether to buy or not to buy ("That is the question, Horatio!") this rig.

Thanks all.

 

[carleton]

Hi! Not sure if it is helpful, but some configs of the F350 with the diesel engine had terrible payload numbers. The 6.7 actually weighs a lot more than the gas engine, which just subtracts from the overall payload number.

Had a Tiger with that config, was also over payload by a few hundred (similar weight to yours). Drove fine, braked fine, drove it all over the rockies. But, who knows long term if it would have been an issue.

 

[Gravelette]

If that's the 2016 on BAT it might be worth rolling the dice if you can get it for close to the $22K current bid. That said, this is a truck that has been running overloaded for nearly 10 years and over 100K miles.

 

[84FLH]

Hi Carleton.

The diesel is one disadvantage to this rig. Would much rather have the 6.2 gas for less expensive repairs and per gallon fuel costs.

I've read a diesel can weigh 700-1,000 lbs more than a gas engine so I guess that's why this rig is 700 lbs over from the start.

With 120,000 miles and 9 years on the rig, and with the owner and his wife plus gear having traveled all over CA and USA ... who knows how much metal fatigue is on the axles.

His 2017 weigh ins were:
- Front axle 5360 lbs
- Rear axle 6660 lbs

Door sticker:
- Front axle 5900
- Rear axle 6730

Current margins:
- Front axle = 540 lbs under rating
- Rear axle = 70 lbs under rating

If my gear, food, tools, and myself were say, 600 lbs, I'd surely be overweight on the front axle ... and have a very narrow positive margin on the rear axle.

I may have to pass for peace of mind.....

 

[84FLH]

If that's the 2016 on BAT it might be worth rolling the dice if you can get it for close to the $22K current bid. That said, this is a truck that has been running overloaded for nearly 10 years and over 100K miles.

Yes sir. That's the one. As a noob buying their first TC I think I should pass on this one. Even at $30k or $35k, the cost of an accident or breakdown back yonder could be catastrophic for my means.

Sigh.......

 

[84FLH]

Found my mistake. It was in forgetting this truck has a diesel. There's the extra 700 (or more) lbs right there.

Shoot. Rig is all I've been looking for for past 4 years except for the diesel.

I'll be keeping the truck after my sojourn and not sure I want a diesel as my retirement vehicle, considering repair and maintenance costs are to me, significantly higher than gas motor.

 

[rruff]

Compared to being say 2,000+ lbs over GVWR on a Tacoma? Which is very common.

The weight you are adding isn't all going on the front axle; think you'll be under on the front and over on the rear. I'd check the rear axle ratings for this same axle in other configurations, as it may be considerably higher... for your piece of mind. Also see if there are failures or problems for this gen of F350 when loaded heavy. I think 2016 is the last year of the open-C frame, but XP has some way of managing the frame twist.

I'd rather have a gas engine as well, but if you haven't driven a big modern diesel... you might change your mind. There is a reason why people pay an extra $8k to get one. Plenty of power and gobs of torque.

IMO, the condition of the rig is the most important thing to focus on. If it's in good shape, it's worth >$100k.

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[tacollie]

The XP V1 trucks all seem to be well over GVWR. Seems like a lot of them are pushing 13k.

If you really want a xp this is probably the cheapest you're going to get one assuming it doesn't have a reserve. If you don't like the diesel truck, you could buy a 6.2 F350 and probably probably come out pretty far ahead money-wise when you sell the diesel truck.

 

[tacollie]

Compared to being say 2,000+ lbs over GVWR on a Tacoma? Which is very common.

The weight you are adding isn't all going on the front axle; think you'll be under on the front and over on the rear. I'd check the rear axle ratings for this same axle in other configurations, as it may be considerably higher... for your piece of mind. Also see if there are failures or problems for this gen of F350 when loaded heavy. I think 2016 is the last year of the open-C frame, but XP has some way of managing the frame twist.

I'd rather have a gas engine as well, but if you haven't driven a big modern diesel... you might change your mind. There is a reason why people pay an extra $8k to get one. Plenty of power and gobs of torque.

IMO, the condition of the rig is the most important thing to focus on. If it's in good shape, it's worth >$100k.

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[Christian P.]

Found my mistake. It was in forgetting this truck has a diesel. There's the extra 700 (or more) lbs right there.

Shoot. Rig is all I've been looking for for past 4 years except for the diesel.

I'll be keeping the truck after my sojourn and not sure I want a diesel as my retirement vehicle, considering repair and maintenance costs are to me, significantly higher than gas motor.

it's probably too late now as the auction is ending, but I highly doubt this would go for only $35k.

 

[Christian P.]

The XP V1 trucks all seem to be well over GVWR. Seems like a lot of them are pushing 13k.

If you really want a xp this is probably the cheapest you're going to get one assuming it doesn't have a reserve. If you don't like the diesel truck, you could buy a 6.2 F350 and probably probably come out pretty far ahead money-wise when you sell the diesel truck.

It does have a reserve.

 

[84FLH]

it's probably too late now as the auction is ending, but I highly doubt this would go for only $35k.

I highly doubt it also. Was/is wishful thinking.

 

[84FLH]

Ends 1:15 pm EST. Owner said he listed it here some years back. I searched but couldn't find the ad.

I imagine final bids 50-70ish. Reserve probably higher than my reserves!

 

[84FLH]

Being a total noob, the axle weights shown in the pics scare me, notwithstanding all I've read how Ford lists some F350s with up to 12,400 gvwr, depending on customer request (Ford-trucks.com site).

Anyway, the first real bid just came in at 35,555. With an hour to go that'll go a lot higher shortly.

 

[mog]

Ends 1:15 pm EST. Owner said he listed it here some years back. I searched but couldn't find the ad.

I imagine final bids 50-70ish. Reserve probably higher than my reserves!

Reserve was $75,000, sold for $82,800
The winner was a dealer, so you will probably see it for sale again.