Hot showers. How to get the water hot...

dbhost

Well-known member
Excus teh rambling here. In my digging I am finding info all over the place on this subject of hot camp showers. I'm simply trying to put this into one place for my own perpective to wrap my head around the concepts, advantages and disadvantages. And share them with anyone else that might be looking into the subject matter.

Let's get to it shall we?

For starters, assuming you want a shower, let's assume you have the water delivery through some sort of spray head system figured out, either DIY, or commercially produced and bought, or maybe modded DIY, but you can get hot water from its source, to spray over you and call it a shower.

Before you can spray hot water on yourself, you need to make water hot unless it is an August day in a beach campground in Texas in that case, I can almost guarantee the water coming out of the spigot is going to be HOT... But I digress.

I am going to break down the types of heating into 4 categories. They are...

Passive heating. This means your heating of the water is done entirely passively. You put water into a thing, and just set the thing down and walk away, or leave it where it is, well you get the idea or not...

In this category the main way of heating water is via solar. So solar shower bags, black water buckets with black lids either cast black or painted, or black roof rack pipe chambers used create a solar cooker of sorts that will heat the water. There are also those that use plastic pump up sprayers in black that do more or less the same thing... Results of this are pretty mixed as there is a severe range of different results based on climate conditions at the time. Dark overcast snowy winter day? Don't rely on that solar bag? Hot, clear, intense sun Day in the Sonoran Desert? Be very careful how long you leave the solar heater out or it will get too hot!

Other drawbacks, particularly to the solar bag shower / water heater is that in order to work as a shower, you must lift a typically 18" bag that holds 5 gallons of water, and secure it over your head height. Not an easy task for the young and nimble, for those of us that are older with back problems this is a painful prospect.

In my opinion, and take its value for what you paid for it, is that a solar heater of some sort, shower bag, or bucket is a good investment in as much as at the very worst, if you are using a pump sprayer of some kind to shower yourself, the solar heater will at the very least reduce the amount of energy neated by a more active heating method. .

We move on to Active heating, fully manual. This means filling a vessel full of water, and heating it on a stove, or campfire, and mixing it with cooler / cold water to achieve your desired shower temperature. For me, for now at least, This is the method I am choosing, along with the solar passive initial heating. I am undecided but leaning toward just using the black painted water bucket as my vessel and letting it heat in the daytime sun.

From here, we move on to Active Heating, partially manual. This is where we start getting into comercial purpose built propane camp showers. And we are in the Category of the Mr. Heater B.O.S.S., the Coleman Hot Water On Demand (HWOD), or the Zodi Hot Tap, or Zip instant hot shower systems. With these systems, you must turn the water flow on at the unit, and ignite the flame to heat the water being pumped. Depending on the amount of gas being applied, and the starting temperature of the water, you may have to recirculate water back into the source container. These are really only feaseable if you have a camping partner to help you control the shower unit, OR if your shower shelter has a pass through, zippered openeing which you can reach through to operate the unit. With the proper adapters, faucet feed water can be used at an appropriate flow rate, adjust to your hearts content just make sure you aren't melting your copper tubing... I am also going to include in this category devices like the shower coil, a simply copper coil connected to hoses and a pump. You place the coil, pump going, into the campfire, and heat the water via campfire coals, you get the temp out of the end that you get. I have never tried one, not sure how well or scary they work. Chime in and tell us if you have tried one!

Lastly, you have Active Heater, fully automatic. This would include but is FAR from limited to the Joolca HOTTAP, Camplux 5L, Ecotemp L5 and countless other similar machines. These you route the shower head and hose into your shower room / shelter, hook up fuel and water source, either hose, or pump, set the desired flow rate, and gas rate, flip the switch on the shower head and water begins to flow, ignition happens automatically, and the shower gets hot to your setting. These typically produce much higher BTU range than the other units, and need to be connected to a bulk tank, so they consume a considerable amount more space in your rig, but provide a considerably higher level of convenience once set up.

Not previously mentioned as I am unsure where to sort this one, but the vehicle mounted heat exchanger systems. These convert vehicle engine heat into heat for shower water, which can be massively convenient, but require permanent mounting into your vehicle and have the potential for an additional point of engine cooling system failure as they mount inline the vehicle cooling system. Consult with your vendor, and vehicle MFG to determine if such a system is compatible with your vehicle. I am also not quite certain of how temperature control of output water is handled. I might assume storage tank for hot water, and mixed in feed of cold water so a hot cold mixer like a home shower?

Anyone that can give feedback on those in vehicle systems, please give more details.

So that's it, that's my listing. Am I right? Am I wrong? Am I missing something here?

Please chime in here to the discussion and add your input.
 
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No expert here but you seem to have hit all the major points/issues for each of your categories. I use an Ecotemp 5L for its convenience. No way am I hooking up an exchanger into my vehicle‘s cooling system or loading heavy water overhead in the hope that it’s going to get warm enough…or too hot. The Ecotemp isn’t perfect, but it has worked for me.

As always, YMMV.
 

ChadHahn

Adventurer
I have a Zodi Hot Tap. To get the water hot I place both hoses in the bucket of water. The intake passes the water over the coils and the spray hose pumps it back into the bucket. When the water gets to the desired temperature, take out the spray hose and shower away.
 

dbhost

Well-known member
I have a Zodi Hot Tap. To get the water hot I place both hoses in the bucket of water. The intake passes the water over the coils and the spray hose pumps it back into the bucket. When the water gets to the desired temperature, take out the spray hose and shower away.

@ChadHahn just curious what region do you camp / travel in? I have found that with water temp starting above 60 deg F recirculating isn't really necessary. Just wondering if your results are similar...

I know starting with 40 deg F water, it takes about 10 minutes of recirculation to get the water up to temp.

My rig didn't come with the 4 gallon bucket, but instead just the stowage bag. I use a Tidy Cats litter tub, basically a square 5 gallon bucket. I painted the bucket and lid gloss black and use it to pre heat the water passively so that I am over 60 degrees F and I just have a good go of it. Not sure what the flow rate of the pump is, but I am pretty sure it is LOW.... My wife took a 10 minute shower running the thing full time on a 5 gallon bucket of hot water. Pretty sure that is like .5gpm... Whatever though, it works...
 

Joe917

Explorer
For your last option you want to look at something like this : https://www.indelwebastomarine.com/us/products/isotemp-water-heaters/spa/
Our Expo truck has been on the road for 27 years and is on its second Webasto hot water tank. It is a great option if you can carry the extra weight. Weight is minimal for the smaller tanks. Tanks have a thermostatic mixing valve to protect from scalding. The chance of a coolant leak in the camper part of the system is also very small when care is taken with the installation. This is best suited to a permanently mounted habitat. It can be done with Hydraulic quick connects for a slide in camper.
 

ChadHahn

Adventurer
@ChadHahn just curious what region do you camp / travel in? I have found that with water temp starting above 60 deg F recirculating isn't really necessary. Just wondering if your results are similar...

I know starting with 40 deg F water, it takes about 10 minutes of recirculation to get the water up to temp.

My rig didn't come with the 4 gallon bucket, but instead just the stowage bag. I use a Tidy Cats litter tub, basically a square 5 gallon bucket. I painted the bucket and lid gloss black and use it to pre heat the water passively so that I am over 60 degrees F and I just have a good go of it. Not sure what the flow rate of the pump is, but I am pretty sure it is LOW.... My wife took a 10 minute shower running the thing full time on a 5 gallon bucket of hot water. Pretty sure that is like .5gpm... Whatever though, it works...

I'm usually up in the mountains when I heat the water that way.

My Zodi came with the bag as well and I couldn't get mine to fit in a Tidy Cat bucket so I got a 5 gallon bucket from Home Depot. Plenty of room for everything now. I'll look into painting it black.
 

dbhost

Well-known member
I'm usually up in the mountains when I heat the water that way.

My Zodi came with the bag as well and I couldn't get mine to fit in a Tidy Cat bucket so I got a 5 gallon bucket from Home Depot. Plenty of room for everything now. I'll look into painting it black.

If you have the standard red single bottle hottap, if you try putting it in upright it will not fit, however it fits, sideways, in the bag in the Tidy cat 32lb I think it is bucket. It's a tight fit, but it fits. I would have a LOT more room if I just carried the Zodi and left the bag at home. Our cat needs the allergen free stuff and that is the only size I can find so that is what we buy. So I have a few of these buckets...

Basically I can toss the Zodi, some washcloths, and a couple of bottles of campsuds in the bucket and close the lid. I have multiples as I use one for me, and one for my wife. The other bucket gets 4 towels folded up and stuffed into it, plus a camp mirror, and a small shaving kit.

Oh, for those looking to paint a plastic bucket with spray paint, make 100% sure you are using a paint compatible with plastics. I am using Krylon Fusion that includes an adhesion promoter. I scuff the bucket with some medium grit, 220ish sandpaper, wipe it clean with some alcohol wipes, let it dry, and then spray.

For what it's worth, the Zodi has the massive advantage of being a considerably smaller, and simpler device than the on demand water heaters, with far fewer areas where they can fail. They run on 1lb bottles instead of bulk tanks although they can be run off of a bulk thank if that is your goal. However with that simplicity is the trade off. It lacks the auto start feature that makes the on demand heaters such as the Joolca so appealing. It is a bit of a moot point though, as the Zodi, while their web site, and phone system both appear to be up still, nobody there answers the phones, and they have no responded to inquiries for sales for at least 6 months. I am guessing they are out of business and had some sort of long term service that just didn't get shut off. Or they are restructuring...

Honestly I see the Zodi as a mid ground, where the Camplux, Joolca etc... are pretty much like a Cadillac of old. Luxurious beyond belief, but also doesn't fit well into a tight budget, or small garage...
 
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ChadHahn

Adventurer
I'll try putting it a cat litter bucket sideways. Maybe I'm not getting big enough buckets or the wrong brand.
 

dbhost

Well-known member
I'll try putting it a cat litter bucket sideways. Maybe I'm not getting big enough buckets or the wrong brand.

I am using Tidy Cats Free & Clean 35lb tub. But I think all their 35 pounders are all the same dimensions. I have to use the allergen free / scent free stuff of the cat will scratch herself half to death. Pretty bad allergies on her...

IN the bag, it goes straight in with the handle down. No propane bottles... It is a fit, but not a loose one. There is about 4 - 5 inches of air gap above the bag when stowed where I can stow things like soap bottles, washcloths, camp mirror etc...

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ChadHahn

Adventurer
I am using Tidy Cats Free & Clean 35lb tub. But I think all their 35 pounders are all the same dimensions. I have to use the allergen free / scent free stuff of the cat will scratch herself half to death. Pretty bad allergies on her...

IN the bag, it goes straight in with the handle down. No propane bottles... It is a fit, but not a loose one. There is about 4 - 5 inches of air gap above the bag when stowed where I can stow things like soap bottles, washcloths, camp mirror etc...

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This is the type I used. I'll have to try to get the Zodi in again. Thanks.
 

Superduty

Adventurer
For your last option you want to look at something like this : https://www.indelwebastomarine.com/us/products/isotemp-water-heaters/spa/
Our Expo truck has been on the road for 27 years and is on its second Webasto hot water tank. It is a great option if you can carry the extra weight. Weight is minimal for the smaller tanks. Tanks have a thermostatic mixing valve to protect from scalding. The chance of a coolant leak in the camper part of the system is also very small when care is taken with the installation. This is best suited to a permanently mounted habitat. It can be done with Hydraulic quick connects for a slide in camper.
Those look to all be 115v. How do you run it?

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk
 

Joe917

Explorer
They are heated from the engine coolant loop. We have never heated the water electrically.
Generally half an hour of driving is all it takes, or half an hour heated by the Webasto coolant heater.
 

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