If you fish, you need to read this ASAP

[snipecatcher]

Feds to 60 Million American Anglers: We don't need you

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/articles/feds_to_60_million.html

 

[Ridgewalker]

By the time the "new regime" is done, we will all live in "Chicagos" with no future; no place to roam; no outdoors; no hope...only taxes to make us all financial "equals". Sad future for my grand children. Just like the last Democrat who shut off the Grand Escalante to virtually everyone except the young strong healthy hiker (not that anyone could walk all the way across it!).

Angry?:Wow1: Me? I'm too old now and probably will die before they let me into a hospital.

 

[alexrex20]

eh. i doubt this gets very far

 

[maXTERRA]

Heard this tonight on Glen Beck show. Sure that hunting and all the other outdoor sports will be under attack in short order as well.
Trying to close off the rest of our public land here in Utah with the redrocks wilderness bill.

To the people I know (can't really call them friends) who always told me that their political party would NEVER do exactly what is bring done and planned,
all I can say is I told you so!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cody1771]

a big step in the right direction is having these big Companies like Shimano take this head on, if anything the US government will listen to $$, but have to say... sure glad im Canadian on this one...

 

[paulj]

Could someone explain what is going on? I don't want hype, fearmongering, and Beckian rumors and innuendos. How about some real facts?

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090918_ceq2.html

What I have found is that in June the president formed a task force, asking it to recommend a comprehensive policy on oceans. They conducted hearings, and submitted a preliminary report mid September. Has anyone read it? What issues does it address?

Apparently sports fishermen, or more likely representatives of the associated industries, are worried that if they don't get a special mention (i.e. exceptions), their business will be harmed.

Is this task force (and the president by (long) extension) really against sports fishermen, or is Shimmano just worried about its profits?

Looking at the NOAA announcement, it seems that the big thing it is calling for is greater coordination among federal agencies. Could it be that the sports fishery industry has been accustomed to getting its way with one of those agencies (free fishing trips for cooperative bureaucrats?), and is worried that coordination would spoil those cozy arrangements?

 

[paulj]

.. sure glad im Canadian on this one...

How is Canadian policy regarding sports fishing different from current US policy, or possible future ones?

 

[paulj]

The task force is currently asking for comments on two topics

1. Marine Spatial Planning: Recommendations for a framework for effective coastal and marine spatial planning that is a comprehensive, integrated, ecosystem-based approach that addresses conservation, economic activity, user conflict, and sustainable use of ocean, coastal, and Great Lakes resources.
2. Emerging Issues on Ocean, Coasts and Great Lakes Policy: Comments on the implications of other emerging issues for ocean, coasts and Great Lakes policy, such as offshore renewable energy development and climate change.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ceq/initiatives/oceans/

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

In the White House statement, the group is called the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force which looks likes its designed to facilitate a long term policies on oceans and water ways, as indicated by the name. It appears it is designed to foster intercommunication and long term policy and strategy on things like general ocean quality (which I would expect would probably help anglers) and looks like it even considers things like wind power ocean energy prospects.

This is just like the establishment of any governmental working group. Establishment of a committee like this is probably something any administration would do and is probably totally normal. It also looks like it was just formed so realistically a 90 day initial comment period is extremely normal or perhaps even generous. The best part is their public input process even has other comments posted publicly - seriously that is awesome and what administration is willing to do that?

To me, it looks like a (poor quality) fishing access group is making noise to hopefully get some sort of angler on the working group perhaps even direct representation. My guess is anything actually "affecting anglers" would probably actually be less than 1/100th of 1% of what the group focuses on though fisherman are certainly a constituency.

To me it looks like one more extremely obscure Washington group, making noise just like anyone else and one of thousands of groups, and in this case it gets picked up by someone else with some other agenda, and here we have it, something totally normal, being totally blown out of proportion, with little or no real bearing on real life.

And unfortunately companies like Shimano and probably 20 other fishing gear companies will post the press release on their site because they are pro-angler access of course and maybe even give that initial organization money. This adds credibility to the cause (because the press release is on Shimano's site) but is no more credible than this link:
http://www.keepamericafishing.org/

In my opinion its probably a little early to "sound the alarm" on the group before they have even done anything or the committee has even organized in the slightest. Meaning that, again, this is someone else with a different agenda, at the ropes here. I don't think this has really anything to do with fishing at all.

 

[bucketosudz]

eh. i doubt this gets very far

X2. Seriously? I am not much for debates but the crap surfacing lately take's the cake. Absurd.

 

[off.track]

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/articles/feds_to_60_million.html

all to do about nothing. paranoia will destroy ya!

Could someone explain what is going on? I don't want hype, fearmongering, and Beckian rumors and innuendos. How about some real facts?

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/20090918_ceq2.html

What I have found is that in June the president formed a task force, asking it to recommend a comprehensive policy on oceans. They conducted hearings, and submitted a preliminary report mid September. Has anyone read it? What issues does it address?

Apparently sports fishermen, or more likely representatives of the associated industries, are worried that if they don't get a special mention (i.e. exceptions), their business will be harmed.

Is this task force (and the president by (long) extension) really against sports fishermen, or is Shimmano just worried about its profits?

Looking at the NOAA announcement, it seems that the big thing it is calling for is greater coordination among federal agencies. Could it be that the sports fishery industry has been accustomed to getting its way with one of those agencies (free fishing trips for cooperative bureaucrats?), and is worried that coordination would spoil those cozy arrangements?

exactly. thanks paulj.

 

[Ridgewalker]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ceq/initiatives/oceans/

Here's a place to start with what you want, believe, wish for, etc.

Sorry for my anger. I guess I'm just getting senile:drool: when it comes to D.C. politics. Enough said on my part. My comments will go to the whitehouse website.

 

[off.track]

THE PRESIDENT'S MEMORANDUM
On June 12, 2009, President Obama sent a memorandum to the heads of executive departments and federal agencies establishing an Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force (pdf list of task force members) , led by the White House Council on Environmental Quality. The Task Force is charged with developing a recommendation for a national policy that ensures protection, maintenance, and restoration of oceans, our coasts and the Great Lakes. It will also recommend a framework for improved stewardship, and effective coastal and marine spatial planning.

"The oceans, our coast, and the Great Lakes provide jobs, food, energy resources, ecological services, recreation, and tourism opportunities, and play critical roles in our Nation's transportation, economy, and trade, as well as the global mobility of our Armed Forces and the maintenance of international peace and security," President Obama wrote in the memorandum. "We have a stewardship responsibility to maintain healthy, resilient, and sustainable oceans, coasts and Great Lakes resources for the benefit of this and future generations."

"The challenges our oceans, coasts and the Great Lakes are facing are complex, and to meet these challenges we must have the participation of a wide spectrum of views from within the federal government," said Nancy Sutley, Chair of the White House Council on Environmental Quality. "The Task Force has a wealth of opportunity to make our oceans, coasts and Great Lakes healthier - both environmentally and economically."

The recommendations and frameworks developed by the Task Force will be cost effective and improve coordination across federal agencies. The Chair will terminate the Task Force upon the completion of its duties.

what pisses you off about this? do you hate clean water and healthy environment? this needed to be looked at for decades. glad obama is stepping up to the task.

 

[paulj]

Looking at the Shimano site, it appears that one of things that bothers them most is the establishment of Marine Protected Areas. Apparently they feel that it is ok to restrict commercial harvesting in such areas, but that sports fishermen have a minimal impact, and should not be restricted.

http://mpa.gov/national_system/nationalsystem_list.html

Since a poster claimed he was glad to be Canadian, I wondered whether Canada has MPAs, and how Canadian fisheries are managed.

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/oceans/marineareas-zonesmarines/mpa-zpm/index-eng.htm

Fisheries and Oceans Canada has a number of marine protected areas designated under the Oceans Act and areas of interest at various stages of progress towards designation. These areas are ecologically significant, with species and/or properties that require special consideration.

There's an area right off the coast from Vancouver that is under consideration for MPA status, Race Rocks
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/oceans/mar...ifique/factsheets-feuillets/racerocks-eng.htm

http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/fm-gp/peches-fisheries/oc-of-eng.htm

Commercial, recreational, Aboriginal and food fisheries may be subject to closure by Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) for conservation, safety, contamination, seasonal or other reasons.

They even talk about Integrated Management
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/oceans/man...ratedmanagement-gestionintegree/index-eng.htm

Integrated management is a modern approach to managing Canada's ocean resources. It is a collaborative way of making decisions on how Canada's marine resources can best be developed and protected.

Isn't this what this presidential commission is all about? Is the USA behind the times? Canada's Ocean Act is more than 10 years old.

 

[goodtimes]

Keep it on topic, or it goes away.

If we have to clean this thread up again, it will simply go away.

For those who had your posts deleted: You know exactly why. So don't bother asking.