L'Afrique - old and new

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Pictures of Africa today and some 35 years ago at: www.pbase.com/diplostrat

Includes people, places, and critters. N.B. The old images are scanned slides that have suffered lots of years in less than archival storage - be kind about the state of the film.
 
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Christian P.

Expedition Leader
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My gf and I just finished browsing through some of your pictures - they are amazing. It was really interesting to see the other overlanders too with older Land Rovers and VW Bus. Made you realized that people have been doing that for a long time!

How does it feel to look back at this trip from 35 years ago?
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Looking Back?

"How does it feel to look back at this trip from 35 years ago?"

Who's looking back? - I'm looking forward; Beloved Spouse and I have still to "Discover the USA."

Working on captions brings back a lot of memories but the Sahara trip was not our first or last trip and so the effect is to feel young and old at the same time. ;-)

"Made you realized that people have been doing that for a long time!"

Exacty. When my day job permits, I will try to cobble up a "Zen of Overlanding" for the consideration of the group. In the interim, if I may be permitted a small snort, I am constantly amazed by the number of folks who seem to think that their trip around Latin America or across Africa is somehow new news. There are lots of folks on the road, everyday, all over the world. Could do with a little less of the "Look at me, ain't I cool 'cause I'm in X." Lot's of folks been overlanding for a long time. (Just met with a filmmaker who has crossed the Sahara more than thirty times.)

That said, this is a great forum and I love reading the online journals and looking at the wonderful pictures. Our journals, in contrast, are dirty, grimy notebooks and our slides have suffered the ravages of the tropics.
 
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UK4X4

Expedition Leader
very cool.......love the "safari suit" with flares

Q your truck in the pics has 3 fill caps ??

How many gas can's did the dude with range rover have on the contraption hanging off the front of his truck ?

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Obviously this way prior to the Overland bible:sombrero:

Lets see......no

Pelican cases
No stainless steel ceramic burner BBQ's
No fridges
No GPS
No Ham radio
No extra bling lights
No 33" mud terrains with Fox external resorvoir shocks
No roof tents
No winch
I think I still have one of those little tents in the roof at my mums house
No internet blogs

I'm sure other can add a few items not seen in the pics.....:safari-rig:
 
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DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
very cool.......love the "safari suit" with flares

-- OK, it was the '70's! Let's see your pictures back in the day.

Q your truck in the pics has 3 fill caps ??

-- I don't like jerry cans - the Blazer had three fuel tanks, a 40 gallon replacement and two 13 gallon saddles. (I did also carry four jerry cans, but fortunately never used them except to help folks who had run out.) (My '77 had five tanks; factory, two saddles, two underbody.) Fuel systems I did right.

How many gas can's did the dude with range rover have on the contraption hanging off the front of his truck ?

-- The rolling bomb? Four at least. Doesn't matter, the whole exoskeleton had vibrated to pieces. Terrible thing to do to a great car.

Obviously this way prior to the Overland bible

Lets see......no

Pelican cases
-- Zero Haliburton camera case

No stainless steel ceramic burner BBQ's
-- Two little Camping Gaz units. (We did buy a gas stove before moving to Ecuador.)

No fridges
-- Did have a Coleman cooler. No ice, but we had the cooler.

No GPS
-- Why? GPS can't tell you where the sand is or is not.

No Ham radio
-- Who you gonna call?

No extra bling lights
-- See the early pictures; they all vibrated off. (I later used and loved KC "Daylighters")

No 33" mud terrains with Fox external resorvoir shocks
-- My tires were junk - I started with seven and arrived with 3.5. Would have killed for BGF AT's and a "Rough Country" suspension. (Which I had on my '77.) Also would have needed 4.10 gears. In my defense, the truck's factory tires were too small and the Michelins that I could order in Cameroon didn't like heat.

No roof tents
-- Would have had one had I known about them or been able to find one. Next best thing to a real camper.

No winch
-- Extra, suspension crushing weight and it is less work to dig out and use sand ladders than to fool around with burying a tire, etc.

I think I still have one of those little tents in the roof at my mums house
-- I pulled out the rear seat, made a deck, and we slept inside. (Used a mosquito net over the lift gate when there were mosquitos.)

No internet blogs
-- Beloved Spouse looked at the photos and immediately pulled out the old notebook. Brace yourself - we may scan or post it yet!


I'm sure other can add a few items not seen in the pics.
 
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Christian P.

Expedition Leader
Staff member
DiploStrat said:
"How does it feel to look back at this trip from 35 years ago?"

Who's looking back? - I'm looking forward; Beloved Spouse and I have still to "Discover the USA."

Working on captions brings back a lot of memories but the Sahara trip was not our first or last trip and so the effect is to feel young and old at the same time. ;-)

"Made you realized that people have been doing that for a long time!"

Exacty. When my day job permits, I will try to cobble up a "Zen of Overlanding" for the consideration of the group. In the interim, if I may be permitted a small snort, I am constantly amazed by the number of folks who seem to think that their trip around Latin America or across Africa is somehow new news. There are lots of folks on the road, everyday, all over the world. Could do with a little less of the "Look at me, ain't I cool 'cause I'm in X." Lot's of folks been overlanding for a long time. (Just met with a filmmaker who has crossed the Sahara more than thirty times.)

thanks for these thoughts.

I also share this opinion. I feel like there's too many discussions about truck accessories and not enough about actual travels.

I would like to see more pictures of people actually using their trucks overseas, not just building them in their garage...I guess that's why I enjoyed your pictures so much.

:)
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Geezerdom!

Please forgive my slightly grouchy post.

Don't get me wrong, getting the vehicle right is an essential part of the fun, otherwise we would be backpacking. I LOVE debating suspensions, camping gear, etc. (Also photography, bicycles, music, etc. Beloved Spouse says that I go from craze to craze.) This is, after all, a forum devoted to vehicle based travel.

My only point is to encourage a little less salesmanship/self promotion and a touch more humility. (Of course, I guess this doesn't apply if you really are selling something.) In my case, for example, I left Asia when I was fifteen and have not been back since. For me driving down Africa and up Latin America is easy; now the Silk Road - that's hard! All depends on what you are used to, what languages you speak, etc.

EDITED TO ADD: Thank you for your kind comments on the pictures. I'm very glad you enjoyed them.
 
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dhackney

Expedition Leader
DiploStrat said:
Please forgive my slightly grouchy post.


IMO, no apologies needed, on either count.

I think there are a few factors at work in both areas.

1. Our Trip is Very Special. The entire "today we walked on the beach and bought some fruit at a local market, which was so exotic, the people look different from me and you, they're, well, you know, different, and like, John just hates to brush his teeth with anything but his favorite toothpaste, so we spent another six hours dealing with that very rude man at the customs office about our case of Colgate, you'd think that those people would realize that poeple like us need our packages, so after that John wasn't feeling well so we took a cab back, but first we stopped at the ATM, yes, that's right they have ** ATMs ** here, can you believe it? well, we couldn't either..." travel blog style and content really does send me to places I can't and won't describe on a family forum.

I think perhaps one of the reasons people think their trips around Latin America or across Africa are so special and ground breaking is that so few Americans go outside the borders of the US. Those that do generally are limited to package tours or the gated and fenced grounds of resorts. When people do get out beyond those limits, they are generally agog for the first trip or two. It's easy to get carried away a bit when it's your first taste of monkey brains for dinner or trip to the rain forest or glimpse of a life that doesn't revolve around cable television and celebrity worship.

Personally, I'm convinced we will never go anywhere or do anything that other people haven't been or done before a long, long time ago. That takes a lot of pressure off of us to go or do anything really noteworthy and lets us just enjoy the local environment. :)


2. It's All About the Truck. Modern developed societies are acquisition based and almost entirely materialistic. The US economy is 70% consumer spending. Think about that number. The average American is exposed to more than 3,000 marketing impressions every 24 hours. Think about that number.

It is essentially impossible to grow up in and live in the US and not have whatever brain processing cycles that are not dedicated to food, shelter and reproduction (that's a large number for males) consumed by consumerism. By the time Americans are young adults we can make sub-second feature and benefit vs. price decisions standing in a retail aisle while simultaneously conducting a cell phone conversation and talking with the store clerk.

Bottom line: the average American is a highly evolved, very specialized, finely honed acquisition machine. That leads to a lot of focus on things to acquire, and since this is primarily an American audience expedition vehicle forum, there is a lot of focus here on things to acquire to put on an expedition vehicle.

But, it's not just Americans. I put up a post about a decision criteria model I built for expedition vehicles over on HU and the Europeans over there practically came unglued. Generally, anything that doesn't relate to what thing to buy that will, through the magic of marketing, make you a smarter, sexier, more desirable, more successful person, and well, also might, potentially, conceivably add some functionality or performance to the truck, is as popular as head lice. It's a little less severe here at ExPo, but still a factor.

As you discovered in 1974 and still know today, people are out here running around the planet on and in just about anything that will move.

And when you meet them and sit down to talk, you almost never, ever talk about the vehicles. Or what is on them.

You talk about your experiences.

And, well, OK, maybe a little bit about the rude guy at the customs office. :)

Doug
 

UK4X4

Expedition Leader
I had more chance of being in this, than having pic's in Africa.

However, I did have flares, leopard skin print shirts and tom jones shoes....

All my pics are in my container...

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Grumpy customs guy...man they have one at every crosssing :sombrero:

That I don't think will ever change
 

Christian P.

Expedition Leader
Staff member
dhackney said:
And when you meet them and sit down to talk, you almost never, ever talk about the vehicles. Or what is on them.

You talk about your experiences.

And, well, OK, maybe a little bit about the rude guy at the customs office. :)

Doug


Doug,

As usual, you make excellent point. I noticed the same thing whenever I am traveling. There's not much talk about the vehicle but more about the experiences. I wish there was more of that here too, although I am also guilty of spending too much on my trucks...

:)
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
1974??

Doug,

"As you discovered in 1974 and still know today, people are out here running around the planet on and in just about anything that will move."

-- 1974? I first left the United States and moved to India in 1955. ;-) Lived in Jordan until I was ten and didn't live full time in the US until I was fifteen. A US supermarket still puts me in culture shock.

On the other hand, I live in one of the poorest countries on earth - male life expectancy is lower than Somalia. This is a country where too many of those thought cycles are dedicated to survival and not enough to consumerism!

"... so few Americans go outside the borders of the US."

-- Actually, millions do, and in my work, I have met a lot of them; usually when they are broke or in jail or both. (Why do Latin countries always have a "Carcel Modelo?" Model what?) I do, however, agree completely. The more US citizens travel, the better they will understand the world and even if overlanding allows only very limited and superficial contact with the country you are visiting, that contact is millions of times better than merely seeing it on TV or in the papers. Consider your own experiences.

"And when you meet them and sit down to talk, you almost never, ever talk about the vehicles. Or what is on them."

-- No, I always talk about what broke or fell off!

But we digress. I am very flattered that people have enjoyed the pictures. It inspires me to keep cleaning and working with Vuescan.

And I still love reading other folks' travel blogs. There is a lot to be said for technology.
 
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