Medium format systems for the backcountry

SeaRubi

Explorer
I've been hunting around for an old medium format folder to use as my primary camera for trips to the back country, and in learning more about medium format systems it's made me curious about something: why aren't more casual / amateur shooters shooting medium format film in the back country instead of DSLR?

Cost: MF cameras are inexpensive relative to a good DSLR rig, and a $200 Epson flatbed scanner will work pretty well for digital printing smaller prints and great for web.

Risk of damage or theft: anyone rummaging your truck for something to steal would likely toss a film camera aside as junk. If they don't, it'll certainly be less expensive to replace. As for damage, I know that with my old 35mm Minolta I worry much more about the object that was unfortunate enough to collide with it than I ever do the camera.

Ease of use: no zoom lens, no buttons means more attention on composition and perhaps a bit more forethought of subject matter.

Durability: using a dedicated meter keeps the camera simple and trouble free in operation. An old folder or Pentax 645 system is just about indestructible, and the smaller lenses are easier to protect in smaller casings.

Great black and whites: one red, one yellow filter and a ND gradient is about all you need for great B&W's most of the time. No photoshop required if you get it right in the camera.

Prints: a high quality optical print from a medium format negative is something to behold. My experience is sadly limited to viewing others in galleries and being left with huge feelings of inadequacy about my 35mm systems and crappy scanned digital prints.

Labor: sure seems like a lot of work to edit down 500 photographs after a trip, and then still have the task of touching up what's left. I find that when I'm working with around 12 / 24 / 36 shots per roll of film, it tends to slow me down and focus more on creating the image rather than capturing the image. There's a lot less effort in swapping between a velvia roll for a sunset and then over to something like Portra for portraits than all that photoshopping to create a similar look.


Seeing all these threads about portable digital darkrooms and the need for thousand dollar setups in laptops seems to have made the convenience for digital anything but! I'm not meaning to kick off a giant film vs. digital war or some kind of crazy pixel discussion. I'm just thinking that for a durable rig that packs easy, medium format film offers a reduced workflow, more ease of use, and potentially much less equipment and can offer an arguably comparative end result to something like a Canon 5D and L glass for thousands less.

Discuss!

cheers,
-ike
 

FotoValpen

Adventurer
I agree 100%. I work as a professional commercial photographer and my everyday is nothing but digital. But there is still the feeling, smell and quality of a perfectly exposed silver negative that a digital sensor can't compete with.

Shooting analog for me is also a great way of relaxing and getting back to the basics.
Before I started my truck renovation I used to blacken out the back part of my Laplander so I could reload my "small" film cassettes.

Here in Norway with my 12x20 camera:
12x20Norway.jpg


Here in Norway with my Laplander:
rondane.jpg


When the renovation is done I will have a table in the back so I can even do some tray processing.

Go large format if you really don't want your cameras getting stolen. :ylsmoke:
 

SeaRubi

Explorer
I should probably be saving my money and invest in 4x5 but I'm afraid I won't break it out very often on trips. I have really been wanting to put together a 4x5 camera for architectural work. after borrowing one, the tilt-shift lenses for 35mm or MF seem like a sick joke compared to large format rigs.

More volvo porn is gladly accepted :victory: do you have a resto thread somewhere?

cheers,
-ike
 

SeaRubi

Explorer
Michael, do you (or anyone else reading) have any experience with the C330? The seven's are way outta my price range. ditto for hassy 500.
 

Michael Slade

Untitled
The C330 is an awesome camera, an awesome system and highly under-rated. I have used a C220 years ago and really liked it. The thing about it that I don't like is that it is large, bulky, heavy and clunky. Kind of all the things you wouldn't want in a back-country setup.

What I do like about it is that the lenses are sharp, it's easy to use, and the price is very reasonable.

Maybe a Mamiya 7 body and one lens would be good for now. There's also the Pentax 67, but it is also large and heavy. You are entering the realm of large and heavy cameras and it only gets worse from here. :Wow1:
 

SeaRubi

Explorer
Well...as somebody who shoots with the 5D & L glass all I can say is...you're right.Yep.

I guess I'd quibble about "packs easy"...but that's about it.

My stumble into the dark side was loving the results I get with a large format Epson printer - so the film to digital conversion just got too awkward & slow after a number of years. What's weird is my sharpest stuff comes from using my prime manual Pentax screwmount lenses from decades ago...So I get some oldschool credit for that - right? One thing...the prices on the old stuff just gets better & better (ah...well...unless you own it...)Peter

for pentax, maybe ... the sony alpha dslr market keeps driving up the costs for my minolta stuff. on the other hand, it's getting pulled out, traded, used and cared for which might make it last longer than being relegated to attics and flea markets! the old glass is magical, ain't it?

re: quibble with packing size - agreed, and I was referring strictly to the old folder cameras. I've had my eye on a Voigtlander Bessa II with a 4-element tessar but have now lost 2 bids on fleabay. :(

cheers,
-ike
 

SeaRubi

Explorer
The C330 is an awesome camera, an awesome system and highly under-rated. I have used a C220 years ago and really liked it. The thing about it that I don't like is that it is large, bulky, heavy and clunky. Kind of all the things you wouldn't want in a back-country setup.

What I do like about it is that the lenses are sharp, it's easy to use, and the price is very reasonable.

Maybe a Mamiya 7 body and one lens would be good for now. There's also the Pentax 67, but it is also large and heavy. You are entering the realm of large and heavy cameras and it only gets worse from here. :Wow1:

I have some kind of sickness (curse?) to accumulate cameras and not really master any of them.

The Mamiya 7 is all kinds of awesome on my LCD screen. I haven't really investigated it much due to the price. It's still less costly than a good digital rig with equivalent optics. I would wager that something of this caliber could arguably move beyond comparable results to producing superior results than that of 35mm sensor sized DSLR's.

I was handling and looking over a C330 when I was living in NYC last year; it seemed like a box of wonderment begging me to take it home, but I had to pay rent instead. The heft kind of reminds me of the term used for the first "portable" computers ... most people who were sentenced to carry them around referred to them as luggable computers :elkgrin:
 

SeaRubi

Explorer
you can find older style 500c bodies for a couple of hundred bucks, with an A12 magazine included. Lenses are still a little expensive but getting cheaper.

Still the best medium format camera ever made. I can put a brand spankin new lens on my 20+ old body, works like a charm, the reverse is mostly true as well.

I'd get a 500 series body with an 80mm lens, a spot meter, an extra A12 back and some filters. That would make a great setup to get started and it wouldn't break the bank. Oh, and a decent tripod and head with a quick release.

Buy a dozen rolls of 120 film and have fun.

I take mine out to classic car shows and get more questions asked about it then people ask about some of the cars...;^)

The Hasselblad's are real nice - I love how modular the system is. The thing I was finding in NY seemed to indicate that most of them had very high miles on the shutters and were still fetching big money if they had been CLA'd.
 

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