Mountain and street help

BajasurfJohn

Observer
Ok here goes. I am not an avid biker. Back in the day I raced bmx and now I have a beach cruiser I ride around the neighborhood and at the beach and a haro back trail x3 for messing around with the kids on. I have always been a motorcycle guy for off road exploring. I am in decent shape and work out regularly. I would like to get a couple of bikes. One to ride on the street for cardio and to build my riding legs back up and a mt bike that I can toss on the rack on my jeep for exploring some trails while we are out jeeping. Now I don't need top of the line equipment as it would probably be more bike that I would ever need. Now that being said what would be some good bikes to look at for a beginner. I don't want a wall mart pos that is going to give me nothing but problem. I want something that is light weight and has quality components that will hold up. Any one have any ideals, Thanks, :bike_rider:
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
Believe it or not, you might have to give more info. Having worked in bikes shops most of my life, this process is really about finding out as much about where you plan to ride and how you plan to ride when you get there.

What type of off road riding appeals to you? Do you want to cruise along the twisty singletrack all flowy or do you want to be a bit more aggressive, hit some big air, etc? What kind of budget do you have?

What type of distances do you want to cover on the road. Road bikes in the true sense of the word can get spendy.

The more info you can give the better.
 

BajasurfJohn

Observer
Believe it or not, you might have to give more info. Having worked in bikes shops most of my life, this process is really about finding out as much about where you plan to ride and how you plan to ride when you get there.

What type of off road riding appeals to you? Do you want to cruise along the twisty singletrack all flowy or do you want to be a bit more aggressive, hit some big air, etc? What kind of budget do you have?

What type of distances do you want to cover on the road. Road bikes in the true sense of the word can get spendy.

The more info you can give the better.

Well for the road bike I would like to say I will be taking epic rides but the truth is I don't see my self riding more that 20 miles at a time. I will be riding on nicely paved roads in town. So in a nut shell I will be leaving my house and making some kind of loop back to my house on all very new paved roads. I don't plan to ride it any where else. As far as a mt bike I will use it on the trails around Las Vegas and in Baja when I go down in the winter months to surf. I am not the big air type. I see my self riding easier trails nice flowing down hills but nothing out of control. Mainly just exploring side trails and single tracks near camp where motorcycles are not allowed. Most of the time my wife is along who is not very "challenge motivated" so I see us riding stuff that would probably be considered tame by most " real riders" standards. Not sure if Height and or weight make a difference But I am 5'6" and weigh 170# ...........
I hate to sound generic about price but I don't really have a budget restriction. But I don't want to spend an arm an a leg just because I could. I don't want to waste money on a bike that is way over what I intend to use it for. So I guess I would be fine up to 1k on a mountain bike and probably less on a street bike. Any specific questions feel free to ask if you need more info! Thanks...
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
That helps. Mountain bikes come in the widest variety of shapes, sizes and prices. For budge purposes, it might be good to start shopping for a hard tail. A good off-road worthy hard tail at full MSRP is going to start around $750. You can buy a lesser level rig, but like all things, there really is an entry point that brings with it durability, performance and good old fun. Below that mark, you make big sacrifices. By that same token, once you get to $1200, you quickly hit the point of diminishing returns. It would be impossible to really make a good recommendation on a forum for which bike to get as there's just so many options. Anything from the biggies like Specialized, Trek, Gary Fisher, etc will all carry similar value and features for the dollar.


Hit the bike shops and see what you have available.
 

BajasurfJohn

Observer
That helps. Mountain bikes come in the widest variety of shapes, sizes and prices. For budge purposes, it might be good to start shopping for a hard tail. A good off-road worthy hard tail at full MSRP is going to start around $750. You can buy a lesser level rig, but like all things, there really is an entry point that brings with it durability, performance and good old fun. Below that mark, you make big sacrifices. By that same token, once you get to $1200, you quickly hit the point of diminishing returns. It would be impossible to really make a good recommendation on a forum for which bike to get as there's just so many options. Anything from the biggies like Specialized, Trek, Gary Fisher, etc will all carry similar value and features for the dollar.


Hit the bike shops and see what you have available.


Great, thanks for the information. Its always good to get some ideals before you go out looking. I put faith in to what people who have nothing to gain from there opinion before a salesman who wants to sell you the latest greatest. And like I said I have no clue at all what kind of bike I need. I tent to go all out and I am trying not to add to my collection of high priced stuff I dont use anymore if you know what I mean.:sombrero:
 

southpier

Expedition Leader
since this seems a little bit of a non specialized thread, is there a decent retro cruiser, even single speed, around? not the schwinn 'beach cruiser', but a nicely built retro looking bike with some decent componentry?


too vague? it's the best i can describe the bike in my mind's eye!
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
Great, thanks for the information. Its always good to get some ideals before you go out looking. I put faith in to what people who have nothing to gain from there opinion before a salesman who wants to sell you the latest greatest. And like I said I have no clue at all what kind of bike I need. I tent to go all out and I am trying not to add to my collection of high priced stuff I dont use anymore if you know what I mean.:sombrero:
Aside from having bought dozens and dozens of bikes, I've sold hundreds of bikes. There's a definite process to buying a bike. It's all about narrowing the field.

I'd figure out your price range first. That will instantly narrow the field. Look within that range to see what you lose in the lower end and gain towards the upper end. That might force you to adjust your price range. There are some thresholds that are key. As an example, if you wanted full suspension, but all you had to spend was $1200, it would be darn tough to find many solid options. Bump that up to $1800 and you have dozens of options.

Increases in price primarily purchase refinement but sometimes purchase features. For example, a $900 hard tail and a $1200 hard tail might offer identical features with regard to number of gears, disc brakes and so on, but the $1200 bike should offer more refinement in how the bike shifts, brakes, and performs in general. That refinement can sometimes translate to additional durability, but not always. Or, that jump from $900 to $1200 might add features. Maybe the $1200 bike has an air dampened fork with lockout. Maybe it has hydrolic disc brakes. Maybe you go from an 8 speed drive (24 gears) to a 9 speed drive (27 gears).

What I would suggest is try to work in groups of three. Find three bikes within your target price range with the features you want. By all means, balance the pros and cons, see which one is a better value, maybe take it for a spin and then - BUY THE BIKE THAT SPINS YOUR BEANIE. Seriously, if you get to three bikes that make for good options and they're all the same value and most importantly FIT YOU, then go with the one that looks cool. I've had customers spend weeks trying to make sure they buy the perfect bike. And regarding test rides, don't let that be the make or break. So many variables (many adjustable) contribute to a bike's ride quality. Use your brain, not your butt. Do your research to find your bike and then test ride it for kicks and to be sure it's the one. Don't forget to give yourself a good budget for other bike doo-dads like pedals, shoes, helmets, jerseys, shorts, etc. That stuff is key.

Buying a road bike is tricky in my opinion. There you're completely paying for refinements and most of those don't amount to a pile of poo with regard to making a bike faster. Believe it or not, MIT has a bike science department that has debunked a lot of equipment performance myths. Long story short, science has proven that a $1200 road bike is as fast as a $12,000 road bike in most applications, certainly for the garden variety cyclist.

With road bikes, fit is critical. I would advocate shopping for the best bike shop and THEN begin your search for the best bike. Humans produce a pitiful amount of power and proper fitment helps maximize those few watts of power.

Cycling is full of funny myths that sales people love. If it sounds to good to be true, it is. Carbon fiber for example has qualities pixie dust would aspire to have. Pretty sure carbon fiber cured Lance Armstrong's cancer.

Shoot me a PM if you ever have specific questions.

New bikes rule!!
 
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Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
since this seems a little bit of a non specialized thread, is there a decent retro cruiser, even single speed, around? not the schwinn 'beach cruiser', but a nicely built retro looking bike with some decent componentry?


too vague? it's the best i can describe the bike in my mind's eye!
Electra has some fun cruisers and townies. Believe it or not, Felt Cycles has a ton of really cool townie bikes, some with multi-speed internal hubs.
 

bluedog

Adventurer
Well for the road bike I would like to say I will be taking epic rides but the truth is I don't see my self riding more that 20 miles at a time. I will be riding on nicely paved roads in town. So in a nut shell I will be leaving my house and making some kind of loop back to my house on all very new paved roads. I don't plan to ride it any where else. As far as a mt bike I will use it on the trails around Las Vegas and in Baja when I go down in the winter months to surf. I am not the big air type. I see my self riding easier trails nice flowing down hills but nothing out of control. Mainly just exploring side trails and single tracks near camp where motorcycles are not allowed. Most of the time my wife is along who is not very "challenge motivated" so I see us riding stuff that would probably be considered tame by most " real riders" standards. Not sure if Height and or weight make a difference But I am 5'6" and weigh 170# ...........
I hate to sound generic about price but I don't really have a budget restriction. But I don't want to spend an arm an a leg just because I could. I don't want to waste money on a bike that is way over what I intend to use it for. So I guess I would be fine up to 1k on a mountain bike and probably less on a street bike. Any specific questions feel free to ask if you need more info! Thanks...

For your road bike you might want to consider a Cyclo-Cross bike. These will generally come with a knobby tire but you can put a road slick too. These bikes are great for paths, trails, fire roads, and light single track. This is what i will reccomend to most of our customers describing what you did. You can have your Cardio and dirt on the same bike. Then load up your Hard tail and head to the hills.

All the biggies make them, Cannondale, Specialized....

B.
 

BajasurfJohn

Observer
For your road bike you might want to consider a Cyclo-Cross bike. These will generally come with a knobby tire but you can put a road slick too. These bikes are great for paths, trails, fire roads, and light single track. This is what i will reccomend to most of our customers describing what you did. You can have your Cardio and dirt on the same bike. Then load up your Hard tail and head to the hills.

All the biggies make them, Cannondale, Specialized....

B.

Thank you for that, I will be checking that out for sure!:sombrero:
 

BajasurfJohn

Observer
Aside from having bought dozens and dozens of bikes, I've sold hundreds of bikes. There's a definite process to buying a bike. It's all about narrowing the field.

I'd figure out your price range first. That will instantly narrow the field. Look within that range to see what you lose in the lower end and gain towards the upper end. That might force you to adjust your price range. There are some thresholds that are key. As an example, if you wanted full suspension, but all you had to spend was $1200, it would be darn tough to find many solid options. Bump that up to $1800 and you have dozens of options.

Increases in price primarily purchase refinement but sometimes purchase features. For example, a $900 hard tail and a $1200 hard tail might offer identical features with regard to number of gears, disc brakes and so on, but the $1200 bike should offer more refinement in how the bike shifts, brakes, and performs in general. That refinement can sometimes translate to additional durability, but not always. Or, that jump from $900 to $1200 might add features. Maybe the $1200 bike has an air dampened fork with lockout. Maybe it has hydrolic disc brakes. Maybe you go from an 8 speed drive (24 gears) to a 9 speed drive (27 gears).

What I would suggest is try to work in groups of three. Find three bikes within your target price range with the features you want. By all means, balance the pros and cons, see which one is a better value, maybe take it for a spin and then - BUY THE BIKE THAT SPINS YOUR BEANIE. Seriously, if you get to three bikes that make for good options and they're all the same value and most importantly FIT YOU, then go with the one that looks cool. I've had customers spend weeks trying to make sure they buy the perfect bike. And regarding test rides, don't let that be the make or break. So many variables (many adjustable) contribute to a bike's ride quality. Use your brain, not your butt. Do your research to find your bike and then test ride it for kicks and to be sure it's the one. Don't forget to give yourself a good budget for other bike doo-dads like pedals, shoes, helmets, jerseys, shorts, etc. That stuff is key.

Buying a road bike is tricky in my opinion. There you're completely paying for refinements and most of those don't amount to a pile of poo with regard to making a bike faster. Believe it or not, MIT has a bike science department that has debunked a lot of equipment performance myths. Long story short, science has proven that a $1200 road bike is as fast as a $12,000 road bike in most applications, certainly for the garden variety cyclist.

With road bikes, fit is critical. I would advocate shopping for the best bike shop and THEN begin your search for the best bike. Humans produce a pitiful amount of power and proper fitment helps maximize those few watts of power.

Cycling is full of funny myths that sales people love. If it sounds to good to be true, it is. Carbon fiber for example has qualities pixie dust would aspire to have. Pretty sure carbon fiber cured Lance Armstrong's cancer.

Shoot me a PM if you ever have specific questions.

New bikes rule!!


Lots of great info for sure. Thank you. I am going to a couple of bike shops here in Vegas tomorrow. The shop I bought my and my sons Haro's at sell Specialized also and some other brands I cant remember at the moment. Also we have a shop in town with all the high dollar carbon fiber bikes. I wont be buying one but they carry a lot of bikes and may find something along the lines of what you described. Thanks again for all the information :bike_rider:
 

Christophe Noel

Expedition Leader
For your road bike you might want to consider a Cyclo-Cross bike.

B.
Cyclocross bikes rule. In fact, I think cyclocross proper is the coolest sector of the cycling world. Most don't understand the origins of the sport or romance of it, but it is really awesome. Bar none, the most brutal endeavor in cycling. But, I digress.

A cyclocross bike is like a rally car. It can go offroad, but it's really a road bike tweaked for cyclocross racing. I have a Yeti Arc X that I use for training sessions on fire roads, some pavement, etc. It does make for a fun machine but it really won't do much in the way of singletrack. Not without some serious effort and skill. They do great on the road, but due to their over-built nature, they can ride a little bumpy. They also lack a top end of gearing. The bottom bracket sits a little high. In other words, if you buy a 'crosser, you end up paying for a lot of features you may not ever need.

For a good peek at 'cross: www.cyclocrossworld.com
 

bluedog

Adventurer
If I was to have just one bike (not likley since I own a bike shop) it would be a cross bike with 2 sets of wheels.

This is a good profile shot of a Cross bike. Lower gearing, cantilever brakes, bigger tires but still a good effecient position.

DSC05170.jpg
 

southpier

Expedition Leader
Electra has some fun cruisers and townies. Believe it or not, Felt Cycles has a ton of really cool townie bikes, some with multi-speed internal hubs.

thanks; both companies have bikes heading in the direction i wanted
 
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1speedlos

Observer
29"?

How about a nice 29"? Get a decent set of road wheels with appropriate gearing, and you really could have most of the benefits of a road bike, with the true off road capabilities of a mountain bike.
I raced many years on the road, and honestly, if you're not looking to keep up on a fast group road ride or race, a 29" with road wheels will get you 90% of the way there.
1 bike, 2 wheelsets. That way, you can put your money into better quality equipment.

Just a different possibility.

Los
 

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