N.A. Diesel in North American Series Trucks?

David Harris

Expedition Leader
Searched around a bit and can't find a definitive answer to this: Did original North American export Series trucks come with the normally aspirated diesel as an option? And secondly, if so, could it be had in an 88? Anyone here ever drive a stock 88 with the N.A. diesel? Impressions?

Thanks,

David
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
Yes, the 2.25 diesel was a factory option in NAS 88's and 109's although it is quite rare. Only available in Series II and IIA I believe.

I have limited experience driving them but in reality, its a tractor engine that is great for low-speed around the farm work (thats what it was designed for). Top speed on road, maybe 45mph? I think its 52hp or close to it.
 

David Harris

Expedition Leader
What I have in mind is a stripped down 88 powered by one. Going to travel with minimal gear off road, on dirt roads or just around town 90 percent of the time. Something like this one:

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proper4wd

Expedition Leader
It won't get anywhere fast but it will get there.

It will be exceptionally slow once you load it down with the stainless steel kitchen and a few hundred pounds of provisions from Whole Foods.
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
From Wikipedia,
2.25-litre diesel (Engine Code 10J)[edit]

The Series II Land Rover was a sales success, but there was still room for improvements. In 1962 the slightly altered Series IIA was launched. As well as some suspension and steering system changes, the biggest update was an improved diesel engine.[24] This shared many parts with its petrol-fuelled sibling, including the block, valve gear, cooling systems and lubrication systems.[25] A forged crankshaft was used for added strength, and different pistons were needed.[26] The cylinder head used the same basic casting, but was very different internally, being in essence an updated version of that used on the original 2-litre engine, to which the new diesel bore a strong external resemblance. Like the 2.25-litre petrol, the 2.25-litre diesel was a dry-liner design. It was built on the same production line as the petrol engine and the flexibility of the basic design was much in evidence- for example, where the diesel engines had their fuel injector pumps, the petrol engine had its distributor fitted. Although it offered a modest improvement in power and a useful jump in torque, the main benefit of the new diesel engine was that it was much quieter and more efficient than the older unit.[27] It also proved to be much more reliable in service.[12] Like the petrol engine, the diesel was upgraded to a 5-bearing crankshaft in 1980. The engine was fitted to the Austin FX4 Black Cab between 1982 and 1985. FX4s fitted with the engine were designated 'FX4R' ('R' for 'Rover'). In this application the engine gained a reputation for very short service life and unreliability. This was caused by the significantly greater times spent at idle speed in the Black Cab than in the Land Rover. Solihull engineers had warned Carbodies, builders of the FX4R that this would cause problems as at idle speed the engine's oil pressure dropped, causing the automatic tensioner unit for the timing chain to not operate fully. At the high number of hours spent at idle speed (taxi drivers tended to leave the engines idling for long period whilst waiting for passengers or when off-duty as well as all the time spent in stationary traffic in London) this caused the timing chains to stretch, causing incorrect fuel injection timing which greatly reduced engine life. The 10J engine was also adapted into a marine engine by Mercury of the USA and sold under the Mercruiser 165 name.[11][28]

Layout: 4-cylinder, in-line
Block/head: Cast iron/cast iron
Valves: OHV, chain drive camshaft, push-rod operated
Capacity: 2,286 cc (139.5 cu in)
Bore × stroke: 90.47 mm × 88.9 mm (3.562 in × 3.50 in)
Compression ratio: 23:1
Fuel injection: CAV DPA rotary pump and CAV Pintaux injectors
Power: 62 hp (46 kW) @ 4,000 rpm
Torque: 103 lbf·ft (140 N·m) @ 1,800 rpm
Production: 1962–1984
Used in: Land Rover Series II, Series III, and One Ten; also Carbodies FX4 (also called Austin FX4) and sold as a Mercury marine engine. There is also evidence of the 10J engine being offered as a conversion for Volga saloon cars by a Belgium-based company.
 

David Harris

Expedition Leader
It will be exceptionally slow once you load it down with the stainless steel kitchen and a few hundred pounds of provisions from Whole Foods.

That's exactly what I'm going to avoid doing. Maximum simplicity and lightness. Going to travel like I'm backpacking, only faster.


Serious question, what is the reason you are specifically interested in the diesel?

Want the simplest truck possible and best fuel economy/range. Don't want to do any swaps. Looking for a stock Rover for the most part.
 

evilfij

Explorer
Yes. Yes. Yes.

It is not THAT much slower than a 2.25 petrol. Around town it is fine. Offroad it is perfect. An overdrive is a must to keep the noise tolerable on the highway.

The only real bad one is the original 2.0 litre diesel in the SIIs (probably no more than a handful still running today), but the 2.25 diesel is a good enough engine and will motor along happily enough at 50-55mph. I could tell little difference between the 2.25 diesel and 2.5 NA diesel and, between the two, I would take the 2.25 as it has a chain not a timing belt.

A 109 with one would be a real dog speed wise, but an 88 without a lot of crap would be fine. To put some perspective on it, my 1959 SII with a new galvanized frame and a tank of gas and a hardtop weighed in under 3000lbs.
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
A 2.25 petrol is arguably simpler or just as simple. I don't know anybody who knows a whole lot about the old CAV rotary injection system but single barrel carbs and points are pretty easy to figure out.
 

evilfij

Explorer
A 2.25 petrol is arguably simpler or just as simple. I don't know anybody who knows a whole lot about the old CAV rotary injection system but single barrel carbs and points are pretty easy to figure out.

Yes, and the 2.25 diesel is not particularly fuel effecient so it is not like you are saving a ton of money by going diesel.

A 2.25 petrol is arguably the most robust engine ever made. The way they created the 2.25 petrol was to take the 2.0 diesel block (20:1) and fit a 7.1 petrol head on it.
 

Kaisen

Explorer
Serious question, what is the reason you are specifically interested in the diesel?

Going to travel like I'm backpacking, only faster.

Power: 62 hp @ 4,000 rpm
Torque: 103 lbf·ft @ 1,800 rpm

Not much faster than backpacking, methinks

My friend has one (for sale) in Idaho
Dangerously slow, unless you are on untraveled back roads
12 mpg, at best

You'll look the part, though
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
Be careful what you are reading, imperial MPG is very different.

Those old indirect injection naturally aspirated diesels arent that efficient. A 200Tdi in a properly geared Series will brush up against the upper 20's but that is a whole different animal.
 

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