Passenger Van camper. Window complications?

AndrewLarson

New member
Looking to pick up my first van. Currently eyeing an AWD GMC cargo van that is a passenger style with all the windows. My question is whether windows are going to severely complicate my build process or just another cool feature to incorporate into the build. I was also wondering whether people tend to strip the interior of passenger vans or build off of the trim that is always there.
 

Choff

Adventurer
I have an 2005 GMC Savana with 167,000 Miles , I bought it with 43,000 and have but on more than 100,000 trouble free miles , almost!!
The gear went out on the front transfer case, only problem so far. No need to but new trans in it just drive it !! don't fix what is not broke.
The 5.3 is a great engine and I have gotten 17 miles per gallon on trips.
Love driving it , AWD In winter time is awesome. Just have good tires.

On the window thing, just build it like they are not their and block them off from the inside with your build.
Choff
 

Herbie

Rendezvous Conspirator
Windows can help or hurt you. The feeling of openness is nice - I like the windows in my van because it's small, so I hate feeling like I'm locked in a tiny box. That said, windows are a thermal problem if you're trying to insulate. A sheet of reflectix cut to fit works wonders, but isn't as convenient as a curtain (look into thermal linings), or as efficient as closed-cell foam on a solid wall.

I started mine with all the interior intact, and just worked around it. (Changed to a reclining bed/bench seat, etc.). Slowly I've been removing bits of the plastic trim here and there in order to reclaim some of the lost volume behind and in order to make things more space efficient. I have maybe 75% of the original trim in place now, and will probably get down to about 50% when I'm done building cabinets, etc. (Front cabin will stay intact.)

As for that CL van - hard to tell from a few photos, you really need to get a mechanic to look at it. The mechanicals are all fairly simple and stout, so how long they'll survive is entirely a factor of how they were maintained. Will almost certainly need a certain amount of work on rubber parts (bushings, hoses, belts), and who knows beyond that.

The double side barn doors are cool, and will give you some flexibility in terms of door boxes and layout, but if you try to keep BOTH sides free to be opened, you'll potentially be sacrificing a lot of interior volume.
 

86cj

Explorer
All good advice for sure.........

Insulation is really the only down side for me and I don't fight snow when camping (an overnight dusting is about it), so factory windows all around are my preference. The view from bed is better than any I have had camping, even my tent usually had the rain fly on and lifting your head to see out is not required either. As said Reflectix makes a huge difference so unless you are a snow camper a window van could be a good thing. One of the drawbacks to aftermarket windows is the trim on the inside, you can cut and fit factory trim all you want with a good knife and heat to fix the edge. Painting the inside of glass actually works great just don't let anything scratch it, then build right over the window if you choose.

A was thinking of putting all my mechanicals inside the drivers side barn doors including anything needed at a fuel stop or stuck situation. You would not climb in and out on the drivers side, just reach in for stuff like the porta-potty from the ground, ventilation would be another good function. People who have vans with storage behind the drivers seat could never consider giving it up is my guess, maybee even me...

As a note a newer 12 passenger van 3/4-1 ton (no AWD vans), have super tough laminated big side glass windows (like a windshield). That should provide some more security to the van and maybe some thermal help? Should retro fit to a 1/2 ton AWD van if the issue arises.

Price seems good from what I have seen, go check it out.The above $10,000 price a good AWD 1/2 ton still seems to require makes them a bit of a black sheep here. They really can be a plug and play option to get into the back country camping, as the price falls more will show up here and in the woods.
 

86cj

Explorer
86cj
Why are the AWD Vans considered BLACK SHEEP HERE??????????????????????????????

They are becoming less of a "black sheep" everyday, a few years ago info on them was very rare. I should have been in the know but had been sitting in traffic next to these vans for close to a decade and did not know they were in production. The aftermarket is finally starting offer a few parts, as interest grows they should notice.
 

4Fox

Observer
When looking for a van, I went back and forth between a cargo or pax. I decided on a passenger van for a couple of reasons.
1. Although I sort of liked the idea of putting windows where I wanted them, I really didn't want to deal with installing them.
2. Having a passenger van ready to go was more appealing as it's "ready to go" as is.
3. The amount of light in the van is great also

I do plan to build some sort of insualting panels for the rear side windows. for both privacy and winter warmth.
 

njtacoma

Explorer
I am only considering passenger vans because I like the view out of windows in my past vans (66 & 67 vw's). Plus for me passenger vans come with rear heat and air which I want also

I don't do any winter camping so the thermal loss can be handled with simple window liners
 

philos

Explorer
I'm often wanting more windows in my cargo... Rear ac would be nice too.


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86cj

Explorer
windows can be blocked out.


Every time you post a pic of your RPO YF7 or conversion van we get reminded of cool things like, (all 4 of your side door windows open) so actually every factory window you have opens, windshield excluded it's not a Jeep. Ventilation is probably the only downside to factory windows and the only two windows not factory on your YF7 van open too. I see a pattern here, we want more of what you got....

"Honey open the drivers side doors let some air in, it gets to windy, how about I open ALL the windows?... O.K."


Explorer conversion vans used factory windows for years, so some good integration ideas should be there including their blinds which work good but can be noisy. Cargo van's were available with full windows, if ordered correctly some opened (except the 40 door) and no interior window trim, a cargo van with 4 doors and full windows is very cool, add rear a/c heat and SOLD!!!....

I am a fan of factory windows mostly due to rust issues on the body if not painted and protected right, and water leaks through the opening portion over time. Window van's have more internal bracing and bonded glass possibly making them stronger, I don't see a needed advantage but some people got to have the strongest. However a premium high quality aftermarket window installed properly may be on one of my builds someday, I like to see even more I guess.


The bean counters took away the "40 door windows that open", they may have only been available on a YF7 or maybe only on a YF7 since about 2005, I am not sure. Passenger vans with 4 doors should have had 4 windows that open but have been out of production for some time. Auto MFG's tend to only stock parts for 10 years so this is not a common easy to get part new for long, (if it ever was) look for a YF7 conversion van in the junkyard. I am adding an opening 40 door window this year to my van, the swap appears to be easy. If you have a 40 door window that opens and someday you think "I will break the smaller window to get in", it is not the cheaper or easiest to find choice.



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86cj

Explorer
Floor rails are an issue to deal with if you choose a passenger van, I like mine everything is bolted to them and the walls, it's nice and quiet going down the road. Removing them is not a small chore and they are strong, lot's of bolts all engineered and tested. The heat shielding under my passenger van is covering up alot of the nut's.



Don't forget the view immersed all the details, a loon woke me up and a bald eagle had coffee with me that morning......
 

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wjeeper

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Floor rails are an issue to deal with if you choose a passenger van, Removing them is not a small chore and they are strong, lot's of bolts all engineered and tested. The heat shielding under my passenger van is covering up alot of the nut's.

Quoted for truth! On my brothers van it took us 4-5 hours to grind/ cut/ chop out of his van!
 

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