Re-usable / Performance Air Filters

iguana4x4

Wiki_4x4
I know some of you guys don't care much for re-usable / performance type filters....K&N type of stuff.

But for those of you who like them and use them, have you had any experience with S&B Filters?? I just found out they exist at SEMA this year, they claim to be a 30 year old company...

Your opinions are really appreciated.
 

shartzer

Observer
I have one on my Discovery Vortec-v6 conversion. A friend turned me on to them about 5 years ago. No complaints so far. I like the fact that their marketing focuses on quality control and scientific testing though.

If you decide to buy it seems like Jegs is the easiest mail order place to use but you have to use S&B's sight to get part numbers. The first one they sent me was misboxed (wrong size) but accidents happen.

Sam
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
The AEM and the Amsoil filters reportedly run dry. Never used them, no idea how well they work.

As I've stated in the past I am very much against oiled cotton filters. On the street they're probably OK. I've yet to see one not pass some grit while off road.
 

slomatt

Adventurer
I've been running a S&B on my ZJ for about 4 years with no major issues. As with K&N filters they may let a little very fine dust through if it's really dusty outside, so you might want to consider a pre-filter.

- Matt
 

MountainBiker

Experience Seeker
I'm not familiar with those, but I'd also stay away from oiled cotton for any offroading. Oiled foam works good though.
 

jayshapiro

Adventurer
Steel filters?

Sorry to hijack the thread a little, but so long as we're on the topic of swapping out filters for better options... how about oil filters?

Has anybody used the remote mount stainless steel mesh oil filters? I know a guy with a Land Cruiser 80 that swears by them. Oil runs cooler (due to longer path), the filter lasts for life (clean it) and he claims they stop particles better than the factory filters.

You can see them here.

LFS-REMOTE-LFS60.JPG


Thanks,
Jay.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
jayshapiro said:
Has anybody used the remote mount stainless steel mesh oil filters? I know a guy with a Land Cruiser 80 that swears by them. Oil runs cooler (due to longer path), the filter lasts for life (clean it) and he claims they stop particles better than the factory filters.
Those are Racor (Parker Hannifin) filters, which is not a fly-by-night operation. They are a legitimate hydraulic supplier.

Here's a cut-away of the LFS90 (the one bigger than the LFS60 you showed). I don't know if the LFS60 or the LFS35 would be the right part for a light truck. I would have guessed the LFS35 because it's smaller (uses 3/8" NPT ports anyway). The LFS35 seems to cost about $125 and come with either a 28 or 40 micron screen. The nominal flow rate for the LFS35 is 6 GPM at about 6 psi. The LFS60 flows nominally 20 GPM at 7 psi and can be fitted with a range of screens, 5, 10, 28, 40, 60, 115 micron.

As a comparison the WIX filter for my truck, the 51348, has a filter rating of 19 micron, nominal flow rate of about 8 GPM and costs about $5. The bypass valve on the Wix is about 10 psi.
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
HAH! The O-Berg filter just won't die. I have one, but have not installed it on anything, yet. A friend has had one one his DD for something close to 15 years. Same engine. No engine issues in that time.
Least one think it's some little pampered run-about, we did a run to Vallejo from Ventura in that car, in 6 hours flat, for Richard Petty's last left coast race at Sears Point. One whole hour on I-5 was over 2500 rpms - about 125 mph.

In the original O-Berg config the by-pass was set up to turn on a light when the by-pass opened, telling you that it was time for a cleaning.

An option that does not require remote plumbing are the System 1 oil filters. I've run one on my 'glass buggy for nearly as long with rare cleanings (infrequent use too) and no issues. When the buggy is used, it tends to get used hard. I've not done the actual calcs, but it is my impression that the S1 has a much larger surface area than the O-Berg design.

IMHO if you are looking to extend the service life of engine oil then you need an oil cooler more than a fancy oil filter. That is a topic for a whole new thread.

I see the external plumbing required for coolers & some filters as a mixed blessing. You might get some cooling from them, but mostly they're a negative performance feature to a cold start. If you have some way to get oil pressure b4 either fuel is injected or the ign comes to life, then the bearing loads (& resultant wear) while operating with little to no oil pressure would be significantly reduced. At work we have the ability to monitor real time cylinder pressure. Yes, those are expensive sensors! Cranking pressures are roughly 1/4 or less of the running diesel's cyl pressure.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Yeah, they do look like the Obergs. I thought they were more expensive, like $250? The Obergs do look pretty cool, though.
 

Jeep

Supporting Sponsor: Overland Explorer Expedition V
I stock S&B, Volant, and AFE filters. The AFE has substantially more filter media than other filters I have tested and have not had any issues with any dust or grit getting through them. I have seen a lot of "dusting" issues with some other filters and we quit stocking, selling, or recommending them. A filter "sock" works good for keeping the big stuff out, and you should maintain them according to recommedations by the manufacturer. Look them up for your application and find a dealer near you.
 

iguana4x4

Wiki_4x4
Thanks for all your input.

Jeep, how's your experience with S&Bs so far? I am thinking of becoming a dealer, but I want to be sure I am offering a great product.
 

OldSven

Explorer
Those mesh ones look pretty cool especially for running where there is alot of dust. I'm runing a "TrueFlow" and love it. Doesn't let anything noticeable through and cleans up real easy. My old K&N after one run in the dust left the whole intake tube all the way up to the manifold full of dirt and dust...
 

Jeep

Supporting Sponsor: Overland Explorer Expedition V
I had no issues with dust, or oil coming out of suspension regarding S&B, flow was on par with other quality reuseables, they look very much like a K&N as far as construction but have ovoiously made a good improvement somewhere along the way. It just seems like AFE uses a filter with quite a bit more surface area and quite a bit more filter media which would keep the flow up even with a "thicker" filter. I like the heavy duty construction of AFE better, but that's more personal than scientific...they both work good.
 

TeriAnn

Explorer
ntsqd said:
As I've stated in the past I am very much against oiled cotton filters. On the street they're probably OK. I've yet to see one not pass some grit while off road.

I have a friend who shipped his Land Rover over to South Africa for a 4 month driving tour. He had a low mileage engine with K&N filter. The early part of the tour was through diamond mine country and a month into it his cylinder walls were badly scored from dust getting through and he needed a new engine. He got a quick swap then continued on with a stock LR air filter without problems.

I went to a Donaldson air filter and prefilter just to keep the solids out of my engine.
 

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