Secure ladder for Air Top

cwvandy

Adventurer
I love my Air Top tent. I hated the ladder.
My wife loves our Air Top. She REALLY hated the ladder. Middle of the night descents to respond to nature's calls were not pleasant experiences because of the ladder's instability made worse by the fact that it was not attached to the tent. On top of our lifted Tundra it was nearly 7 feet off the ground at 82". The ladder supplied by Autohome, though probably versatile and adaptable to a wide range of uses, sucked at this height. Its whimsy over-the-lip bracket did not inspire confidence. If I was to continue off road adventure with my wife, a solution was required.

My wife and I spent nearly 25 years as sailors on trips ranging from Tahiti to Hawaii, Alaska, The coast of Chile and 2 months in Antarctica. We tested and broke a lot of gear. What we learned from these aquatic wanderings have served us well in our over landing adventures. My solution to the ladder issue was found in my spare parts bin from our sailing days.

Below are photos of the fix (taken with the tent on our Adventure trailer....the tent goes back and forth depending on the trip). First I replaced the Autohome ladder with one from Paul at Equipt (the Eezi Awn ladder I have found to be much more stable and has the ability to add an extra section).

Second, I drilled out the top of the ladder and put in a small steel sleeves. I then filled the end of the ladder with epoxy (in this case, JB weld) to add strength where I had drilled the hole and to secure the sleeves in place. I next added two stainless brackets to the side of the tent bottom where the ladder "attaches". These brackets are used in the marine industry to attach dodgers and awnings on boats. They are incredibly strong and can take torquing and side loads well. I through bolted these brackets and put backing plates on the inside and used acorn nuts to avoid tearing the mattress. The diameter of the holes in the brackets come in specific sizes to match spring loaded quick pins which go through the holes and remain in place by way of a internal spring and small bearing. From the photos you can see that I simply remove the pins, put the ladder in place and replace the pins. I have added a stainless wire to hold the pins to avoid losing them.

It takes about 10 seconds now to attach the ladder. Care has to be taken with tent placement on the roof and the length of the ladder to avoid hitting the side of the truck but this is necessary in any event. I now have a ladder that stays in place and a wife who is completely game for adventuring. The parts can be found at any marine store. Fisheries Supply in Seattle is my source of better quality marine stuff.
 

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libarata

Expedition Leader
Explain to me, how such a thing is not standard? Call up the manufacturers, and sell em the idea for the price of a new RTT...
 

cwvandy

Adventurer
I know the guys at Auto Home. They are great, have a great product and top-knotch customer service. Their ladders, unfortunately, suck. Hopefully they follow these threads and will pass this info along to the product people who can do something about this. Pretty simple solution.
 

Lemsteraak

Adventurer
cwvandy, - Mike is probably running around half naked on a Caribbean Island for the holidays so maybe I can butt in and shed some light on the ladder design.

The good news - AutoHome makes the ladder you are looking for right now. It is on the OverLand, they describe it a bit on their website

http://www.autohome-official.com/en/products/fabric-roof-top-tent/overland/tech-info

It is made of heavier gauge aluminum so it stronger and bends less, telescopes well and has a very easy to use locking mechanism, has bigger rungs, nice rubber feet and best of all it is attached to the tent with a very cool clutching mechanism. The harder you pull out, the harder it resists. The result is a world class RTT ladder.

Bad news - Doesn't play well with the Maggiolina and Columbus. These tents are used on way too many vehicles and in too many ways and it doesn't really fit well inside some of the tents. In your case, you can attach your ladder to the side of the tent. If you have a small tent on a big vehicle like a Land Cruiser, the ladder doesn't have a straight shot down to the ground so it has to attach to the rain gutters. Also on your AirTop or a Columbus, you can access the tent through the back, the ladder has to work there too. Your AirTop tent would have the space to store a OverLand ladder inside, it is heavier though.

In other words, it is a design compromise, works for most but doesn't work perfectly for anyone.

We designed this ladder on my watch, when I was with the company, yes I'm a sailor too, our sailboat is currently wintering in the Netherlands. This is probably why I have always liked AutoHome tents, or in my day "Zifer" tents so well, like your own stateroom. The designers in Italy do listen to customers and I have no doubt that if you ask them they will put an OverLand ladder for you in the next container. They get input from all over the world and they will make modifications. My favorite is the first Columbus Variant aka "Frenchie's Tent" as suggested by Expedition Portal member Frenchie LeChance. We put it in production with the improvements he wanted and a couple more for North America. There are maybe about 100 of them running around. I was stupid to let someone talk me out of mine.

So, a ladder for a hard top tent is a compromise, can't be dialed in. The main AutoHome concept if I can say that, is you can take an AutoHome tent right out of the box and put it into rough conditions, it will work and protect you. Second, you can repair and modify them anywhere. The first ladders were heavy steel, because you can easily adapt them and weld them with basic equipment. I've even seen them used as sand ladders. Really only for expedition use, you would step on the bottom and sink the legs down into the dirt to hold the bottom in place, the top would be supported by the edge of the tent, the one door was reinforced for it. The alloy ladder is more "camping" friendly, and a big improvement. Still expedition quality, you can repair then anywhere. Not a weld on them, unscrew them take apart, repair, put back together with just a simple screwdriver. They are simple, light and easy to modify. The other idea with AutoHome is that the tent is only 90 percent right, the other 10% you have to make it yours, for your conditions. It is great to see a tent after 20 years of use, they really reflect their owners. Your modification are great and I think everyone with AutoHome would applaud you for your creativity and for making your tent your own.
 

cwvandy

Adventurer
Lemsteraak
I wish I was running around in the Caribbean!. It was 7 below 0 here in Bend last night. Good for Mike!

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I think I recognized in my first post that no one-size will fit all with the ladder and that you were attempting to design something that worked in the widest range of circumstances. The new ladder looks great and addresses the problem for the OverLand. Doesn't do much for the Maggiolina and Columbia however, but I would still put the tent at something more like 98% right. I really do love the tent and the investment in the fix was more than worth it for me.

I am sure you have much more market data that my anecdotal observations, but almost everyone I have know and have talked to in the US hooks the ladder on the edge of the opening of the tent. And they really don't like it. Even offering a more secure solution as an option would work for all of these folks. I have several friends who opted for a soft tent (i.e. Eezi Awn) simply because they felt the ladder was so insecure in the Air Top. Really too bad to lose these customers with a problem that even I could fix. With all the design expertise you have at the HQ, with the premium price you get for the product and the high quality you maintain, I have no doubt if they put their minds to it your engineers could craft an optional, more secure solution. Mine was from spare parts in the garage.

Anyway, you guys make a terrific product. I am a big fan. I switched from a soft, fold-out RRT tent and will not be going back. Especially now that my wife isn't going to take a dive from 7' while responding to nature's call at 3 AM.
 
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ekapel

Member
Ladder options

I have had a Maggiolina for about 20 years now (it is still in excellent condition!). I replaced the supplied steel ladder with a Telesteps aluminum ladder which is adjustable and very sturdy. It was first used on a Landcruiser and now on a G-500. It rests on the drip rail/roof rack and I usually secure it with a zip-tie to the roof rack and it has been stable as well as being an easy setup.
 

cwvandy

Adventurer
I use a zip tie as well when using the tent on my trailer. In this application...which is only a few feet off the ground....the standard ladder works fine. It is only when it gets upwards of 7' that it becomes a bit unstable. I imagine your 500 is almost this high as well.
 

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