mattmobile said:
I was wondering if anyone has simply bolted the camper to the pickup bed, and what sort of back up plating was used, if any.
Welcome to ExPo Matt and congrats on purchasing a Four Wheel Camper - :beer:
Depending on which truck, additional plates have been recommended. They are welded to the underside of the truck bed for reinforcement. Obviously each truck will be different so there is no one uniform template. I have measurements for my T100, but as of yet have not added them.
In certain instances under extreme off road conditions, the eyebolts fastened at the corners of the pick-up bed have been known to bulge and bubble up from the torque of the camper and bed twisting an bouncing. One of my front corners has a slight bulge. The reinforcement plates reportedly will prevent that from occurring.
I have seen and read about people bolting their campers
in addition to using the turnbuckles but I've not seen it recommended to use bolts in place of the turnbuckles. The turnbuckle system and the aluminum frame allow the camper to flex with the truck off-road. It is part of the mounting system design and what makes the Four Wheel Camper more capable and durable in off road conditions.
charliearrons said:
Even the stock 4WC system of turnbuckles is unsatisfactory, let alone bolting to the bed....
...... if you go offroad with the camper, which it is allegedly but evidently not truly designed for.
Respectfully calling poppycock....
I'm no engineer and I don't mire myself in geeky tech talk about force, rotation, inertia and such. I will leave that to
ntsqd and
DaveinDenver, but turnbuckles are commonly used in boxing, wrestling and MMA rings as well as gymnastic floor platforms due to their ability to "stretch and flex" with applied force. Their ability to give and flex are their strength, not their weakness.
Now I will admit that Mr. Aarons lives in a state that is home to some of the wildest and toughest trails on the planet, no doubt. Alaskans idea of a "trail" is not what most people would attempt for a weekend or month long excursion. Whether a FWC is up to those challenges I cannot say as I have not had the pleasure of taking mine personally to Alaska.
However, Turtle Expeditions has taken a Four Wheel Camper across South America for 14 months and 50,000 miles. They also completed a 3-year/36,000-mile circumnavigation of the Northern Hemisphere, crossing the Eurasian continent, ocean to ocean, completely overland, traveling some 1,200 miles on frozen rivers and winter roads through the wilderness of the Russian Far East. You can add Mexico, Canada and Alaska to the regions where they tested a FWC for reliability and durability.
Adding to that list, ExPo member
OutbacKamper, spent 9 months in Australia touring the outback with his FWC. The Australian outback is a proven testing ground for off-road equipment if there ever was one. I know he experienced a few issues along the way, one in particular relating to a turnbuckle issue, but his FWC survived the trip regardless.
As for my own FWC, it has survived and thrived on 4wd trails in the western US, including;
- 4 trips to Colorado, on numerous 4wd trails above timberline
- 4 trips to Utah, with a 7 day off-road adventure through Canyonlands NP
- 2 trips to Death Valley, on Goler Wash, the Racetrack and over Hunter Mtn
- 2 trips to Montana, exploring the CDT and the rugged SW corner
- 2 trips to Nevada, circumnavigating Lake Mead and crossing the Superstition Mtns
- 4 trips to Idaho, roaming backroads and exploring the Frank Church -River of No Return Wilderness area
- numerous 4wd trails around the western half of Wyoming
You can also include for posterity, driving up the Pacific Coast Highway, day trips into New Mexico and Arizona, running the Oregon coast and sand dunes, and fighting bumper to bumper traffic on the Las Vegas strip, Denver, Salt Lake City, Portland and a few others I'm trying to forget.
I'm not simply an owner calling foul and defending my choice. I have thoroughly tested the off-road capabilities of this camper and have found it to live up to the marketing and advertising. It does what they claim and it does it better than any other slide-in option on the market. It has the pedigree because it earned it, one bone jarring mile at a time.
Sorry Charlie, that your experience wasn't as positive.
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