Shock Modification for 100-series:

ShottsCruisers

Explorer
Well, not sure how many 100-series drivers are posting to this forum? Regardless, I've pulled another "first to modify ..... on a 100-series" and it was a great success so I figured I'd get the word out just in case someone is searching.

PROBLEM: 100-series, while extremely capable, has less F&R wheel travel when compared to the 80-series. All types of ideas have been thought through regarding the front-end, though to no postive outcome. Nobody has been focusing on the rear-end however....except me. I'll explain:

One of the best improvements one can make to their 80-series suspension is to upgrade to OME L-series shocks. The L-series allow for 1.6" more rear travel and an overall 2.6-inch rear droop improvement over standard OME shocks. (The front L-shock improvement is a bit less due to other issues, though we'll focus on the rear-end for now) Because the L-shock is 1-inch longer, bump stops must be lowered to avoid shock damage.

IDEA: With an 80 and a 100 being so similar in the rear, why couldn't you take an 80-series L-shock and stick it on a 100-series? You'd guess the valving would be similar (as weights are). Travel would be similar (as the shock is the limiter). So why not try it? Well, I did, and the result is amazing.

HERE'S WHAT IT TOOK:

1. Put the lower shock bushings from a 100 shock into the L-shock
2. Use the upper L-shock bushings and washers, except for the very top washer and nut.
3. Use the top 100 shock washer and nut.

NOTES:

*My rear bump stops were already lowered 2" to accomodate 35-inch tires.
*I have 80-series OME863 springs
*I welded on a spring retainer (just as a precaution) to each spring seat just to make sure the spring wasn't going anywhere. The L-shocks are a mate for the 20mm taller OME J-springs which I don't have...too much lift for the rear compared to the front's limits.

RESULTS:

*On-road ride is undetectable from before. The valving must be the same or real close.
*Off-road the truck was MUCH more stable. Not only did the added droop and articulation fill the rear holes, the front wheels would compress upward easier because the rear was planted and working against the front.

All-in-all, I'm thrilled with the results. I never expected this improvement. The 100 needs help out there due to the lesser travel of the front IFS. This help closes the gap even tighter in overall capability to it's predecessor.

The entire story is here: http://shottscruisers.smugmug.com/Vehicle Specs and Modifications/117861

Pics (nice primer on my bumpers....Moab repairs):
 

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BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
John, from what you said, I get the impression that the shocks are the limiting factor to the travel of the suspension?? :Wow1: That's doesn't seem right. :confused: The springs should be the limiting factor, or else the shocks would be destroyed by the impact of the weight of the vehicle (on both compression and extension). Maybe I am misunderstanding.
 

gjackson

FRGS
If the TLC is like the LR, then the shocks determine the bottom limit of the suspension. Don't forget that at the bottom of suspension travel, the spring is fully extended and is no longer pushing the axle down. The shock is quite strong enough at that point to hold the weight of the axle. I discovered that if you make the spring the limiting factor, it will actually rip the spring mounts off the axle. The spring mounts are designed to take pushing force, not pulling force, and tend to be quite weak when pulled on. Shocks are pretty strong in that regard.

That being said, I have seen shocks on off road buggies have their shafts snap under extension loading. Now THAT is a LOT of FORCE!! And a pain in the butt to drive when that happens too! ;)

Upward travel should be limited by bump stops between the frame and the axle. Shocks are strong enough to take the weight of the car, but their mounts tend not to be. I have had both front shock towers on my 110 ripped off because the shock was limiting upward travel rather than the bump stops.

We'll not mention why that was the case and how many times I had to get the front end welded at shops in the Sahara!!!! :smilies27

cheers
 
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BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
gjackson said:
We'll not mention why that was the case and how many times I had to get the front end welded at shops in the Sahara!!!! :smilies27

:jump:


Hmmm... well, I guess it depends on the shock construction. Maybe the (factory?) TLC shocks are up to the task of hanging onto a LC axle/wheel... I dunno. Here is what happened to me one time when I used a shock that wasn't long enough...

broken-rancho.jpg
 

gjackson

FRGS
Difference there is you were leaf sprung. Using the shock as the bottom stop only really works with coils. think of a coil-over shock after all!

But yeah, I didn't explain myself very well. Leaf springs can bow out quite a bit at the bottom end. I know Land Rover used leather straps as bottom stops for their leaf sprung models. Don't know about Toyota.

cheers
 

BajaTaco

Swashbuckler
I don't think I have ever seen OEM limit straps on Toyotas. But yea, I see your point about the coils. I just figured the linkage and coils would be maxed before the shocks ever would - although I have seen plenty of coils well out of their buckets.
 

ShottsCruisers

Explorer
gjackson said:
If the TLC is like the LR, then the shocks determine the bottom limit of the suspension. Don't forget that at the bottom of suspension travel, the spring is fully extended and is no longer pushing the axle down. The shock is quite strong enough at that point to hold the weight of the axle. I discovered that if you make the spring the limiting factor, it will actually rip the spring mounts off the axle. The spring mounts are designed to take pushing force, not pulling force, and tend to be quite weak when pulled on. Shocks are pretty strong in that regard.

That being said, I have seen shocks on off road buggies have their shafts snap under extension loading. Now THAT is a LOT of FORCE!! And a pain in the butt to drive when that happens too! ;)

Upward travel should be limited by bump stops between the frame and the axle. Shocks are strong enough to take the weight of the car, but their mounts tend not to be. I have had both front shock towers on my 110 ripped off because the shock was limiting upward travel rather than the bump stops.

We'll not mention why that was the case and how many times I had to get the front end welded at shops in the Sahara!!!! :smilies27

cheers

Yep, exactly how the TLC 80 and 100 are. The bump stops limited compression and the shocks limit extension.
 

calamaridog

Expedition Leader
John,

Thanks for going to the trouble of documenting this mod. Food for thought, good 411, and all that :bowdown:
 

Awkragt

Adventurer
Old thread but new part number for the N74L is 60071L.

I would like to install 863 coils and 60071L shocks but I can't seem the find the bushings to make this work. I've seen OME B40 or OME 840 bushings listed on threads but no on-line source for these.
 

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