Sometimes There Really Is A Free Lunch

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
Wow, more and more I know just how much I don't know :)

I have thought about replacing my sad beat up Nikon D40 with a DLSR that could shot video also. With the reading I was doing on the D7000 that was leading the pack.
Now this is interesting as it would reduce the number of lens need...especially as I would be ditching my few Nikon lens (or keep that camera as a backup I guess).

Thanks for the post, I can't wait to hear from someone who actually understood most of that article!
 

tdesanto

Expedition Leader
Not exactly a free lunch.

Now, while on the telephoto side of things, this looks to be quite impressive. You can reach even farther without giving up image quality or light-gathering abilities of the lens attached.

What you do give up, though, are wider-angle shots. So, I'm curious what photographers will do who want to use the video feature, but to shoot wider scenes.
 

Every Miles A Memory

Expedition Leader
What you do give up, though, are wider-angle shots. So, I'm curious what photographers will do who want to use the video feature, but to shoot wider scenes.


I wonder what a video with a 10-22mm sized lens would look like. Even with the 2.6x conversion, that would still be a pretty wide shot

I also wonder if of manufacturers are going to follow suit?
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
Wow this will revolutionize beach photography. There's no way the hotie a thousands yards away will know she's being zoomed on with this little camera :)
 

Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
That's a cool option if you're shooting video, but it is not a free lunch. As the article points out at the start, people choose larger sensor video cameras for their added depth of field, but if you reduce the sensor to the center 2 megapixels you'll loose that advantage. That's a glaring oversight not mentioned in the article. Practically speaking, it would be like shooting video with a 2 megapixel/1080p point and shoot camera, or a standard small sensor camcorder. Still, the ability to go back and forth for video is a pretty cool.

Also, don't overlook the fact that this is useless for photos, it's just digital zoom, aka image cropping.
 

bajasurf

Explorer
That's a cool option if you're shooting video, but it is not a free lunch. As the article points out at the start, people choose larger sensor video cameras for their added depth of field, but if you reduce the sensor to the center 2 megapixels you'll loose that advantage. That's a glaring oversight not mentioned in the article. Practically speaking, it would be like shooting video with a 2 megapixel/1080p point and shoot camera, or a standard small sensor camcorder. Still, the ability to go back and forth for video is a pretty cool.

Also, don't overlook the fact that this is useless for photos, it's just digital zoom, aka image cropping.

Trevor. I am confused about a lot of things. I know you can clear that up. If I use any DSLR for video and the camera is recording video at 1920 x 1080 that is a little over 2 mp. So, is that the case for all DSLR s? Would they all lose their shallow depth of field when the sensor is reduced to 2 mp? Since a DSLR sensor is much larger than a point and shoot camera and reducing their sensor to 2mp from say 12 mp am I assuming correctly that the DSLR having a larger sensor would still have the shallow depth of field effect not present on a point and shoot? Now you can see why I am confused. As always I really appreciate your insight and knowledge. I am going to upgrade from my Flip and really want the shallow depth of field ability. Thanks Trevor.
 

Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
With this little digital zoom trick what they are doing is simply using a small fraction of the overall size of the sensor,that being the center 2 megapixels. The rest of the sensors outer 16 megapixels are not in play, thus reducing the overall effective size of the sensor.

As the effective sensor size decreases, which is what digital zoom is, the depth of field will increase for each given aperture. F2.8 on a smaller sensor will still gather light like a F2.8 on a big sensor but F2.8's depth of field on that smaller effective sensor will look something more like F5.6. Ever notice that point and shoot cameras, even those with F2 apertures, create very little subject seperation, at least compared to what F2 would look like on a larger sensor. Point and shoots also typically don't go any higher then F8 because beyond F8 there would be no additional depth of field to be gained, not to mention beyond F8 diffraction would start to rob resolution. This is all because smaller sensors require one to get further away from their subject, or to use a shorter focal lengths in order to frame their subject with the same field of view. This means that one has to use progressively larger apertures on smaller sensor cameras in order to maintain the same depth of field as we'd see on a larger sensor.

Also, as the article mentions, the full native resolution of the GH2's sensor is 4608 x 3456 which is far more resolution then 1080p, but on output that native resolution goes through some compression and processing algorithms to scale it back to a 1080p output. I'm assuming that the Panasonic uses a different set of compression and processing algorithms when the ETC mode is used, as the native resolution of the center 2 megapixels equals a perfect 1920X1080.

Anyway, I hope that makes sense.
 

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