Wheel Spacers – Good or Bad?

Wohni

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Fact is, the new Land Cruiser LC79 Pick-up has a front track 4” wider than the rear track (or axle). This was apparently done to accommodate the larger V8 Turbo Diesel engine, which absurdly may not even become available in Southern Africa.

Common sense dictates, and some seem to have experienced this already, that the narrower track in the back may present a problem, especially in sand. In our specific case we have added worries, because Wohni definitely has a higher centre of gravity than a non-converted Pick-up would have – plus – we will more often than not travel on the limit of gross weight, thus exaggerating any phenomenon and/or occurrence.

The obvious thing to do would be adding wheel spacers at the back. However, a 2” extension of leverage on each side is no minor alteration and may or may not cause havoc in difficult terrain. Doing a quick thumb suck I guesstimate the increase in forces applied to be approximately 3-4% each side, yes?

On a positive note, we are ‘only’ concerned about the rear and hence don’t have to deal with reinforcing ball joints, etc. Also, as far as roll stability goes we would definitely have an added bonus. Still, forces on the diff, bearings and the axle itself are reason enough to be concerned.

I feel somewhat between a rock and a hard place about this, but tend towards going for the added benefit of the spacers versus the minor risk of breakage, hoping that Murphy is not around when push comes to shove.

I would greatly appreciate any thoughts and/or input.

All the best
Tommy
 

the dude

Adventurer
Bolt on spacer of a high quality are fine.

I have been running 1.5" spacers in the rear of my Cruiser for 5 years and had them checked for cracks recently and found nothing. They are as good as new. I do re torque about once a year.

For reference I weigh in at over 6500lbs and run a 38x14.5 tire on a 16x10 steel rim. That is a lot of force on that spacer...
 

RAB

New member
Is a new rear axle an option for land cruisers. I know in the states you could get a dana 44 or dana 60 in a lot of different sizes, bolt patterns and tube lengths. pretty much available for any application, if you have the funds. places like Currie Enterprises can custom make just about anything you can thing of.
 

adventureduo

Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
I agree with Dude, bolt on spacers are just fine (and our rig weighs just as much if not more on our axle).

We ran them on our adventure trailer and our Sportsmobile came with them on the rear axle from their factory.

You shouldn't have any problems if you buy a high quality piece, keep an eye on them and use common sense with size and maintenance.
 

lowenbrau

Explorer
Odd.

I just can't imagine Toyota doing that. That was always something Toyota fans could goad domestic owners about because it is very uncomfortable when the rear tires don't follow the fronts. Until the aftermarket creates a solution, spacers will do nicely. If you can find steel ones, so much the better. I run aluminum spacers on the back on my BJ74 and as long as you keep them tight, they're fine.


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RocKrawler

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Being in the 4x4 industry and selling wheel spacers for a living, I agree with lowenbrau - they have to be a good quality spacer, and they have to stay tight, just as a poor quality wheel would jeopardize safety (I've seen the American Eagle 589 center blow out from the outside of the rim due to massive air pockets in the cheap casting) and the lug nuts being loose (that speaks for itself) would on the wheel itself. The rule of thumb is to torque them down with a torque wrench, NOT A IMPACT DRIVER, to the specified torque, drive it 100 miles and retorque - if it didnt hold, retorque every 100 miles until it does, then every 3rd oil change.
 

Ireland

Adventurer
Not to hijack the thread but what do you guys think of running them in the front?
I have being doing this in my Hilux for about a year now with no problems that I am aware of but I have heard they are hard on the steering parts ect...?
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
LOL, tight... Exactly...

(30 mph, luckily the road was dirt and had a nice layer of snow on it so no damage (and luckily no danger) at all... The front wheel did go flying by me though, about a 1/4 mile down the hill. Very funny looking back at it... )
 

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Wohni

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Thank you all, much appreciated.

Dude, are your spacers steel or aluminum?

RocKrawler, I suppose they should be machined not cast, yes?
 

Martyn

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Wohni said:
Thank you all, much appreciated.

Dude, are your spacers steel or aluminum?

RocKrawler, I suppose they should be machined not cast, yes?

All of the spacers we have made are machined from Aluminum. The only issue we have ever seen is a stud stripping in the spacer. It was on a well used 2 year old spacer and the problem was easily fixed by inserting a new stud with a larger shoulder.
 

the dude

Adventurer
Yup, running aluminum.

As for running them in the front you need to be concerned about wheel scrub when making a corner as well. For the Toyota guys, the older IFS hub on 4 runners is not as deep as the mini truck or Cruiser hub essential giving you about a 2.5" wider stance up front. (1.25 a side) But you do need to use a spacer to set back your rotor. I am using this set up on my truck (available from Sky mfg and others I am sure)

I figure if Toyota thought it was OK to move the hub flange out (on the same bearings) it shouldn't be a problem to run spacers up front or the IFS hubs as far as extra strain or wear goes...
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
I've installed one of those sky spacer kits too and they work great. The aluminum do work but basically the denominator is that you do have to make sure they are tight otherwise they can work themselves loose easily. If you start hearing an unexplainable "clunk clunk clunk" sound while you are moving check your wheel tightness.
 

lowenbrau

Explorer
Do you guys who have the Sky kit have any trouble with rotor runout? Mine turns me into an epileptic when I touch the brakes. It was OK at the very beginning but got bad soon after. It's on my list but I haven't gotten around to pulling it for a look see. The rotors/ calipers / bearings were all new when I put it together.
 

Wohni

New member
Sorry, this may be a stupid question or one of those "lost in translation terminology thingies" ... what do you guys refer to as the "rotor"?

BTW, talking to various people today, who should IMHO know what they are talking about, the tendency is towards spacers in the back to align the tracks - and surprisingly often "fuel consumption" was mentioned when it came to sand and mud driving subjects

To me the issue is a go ... just don't know yet which ones and where to buy
 

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