WTB-Tyre Pliars & Spoons

'05TJLWBRUBY

Adventurer
May be a long shot but looking for a good set of tyre pliars and spoons-deluxe or standard. Anybody use these (or not anymore I guess) or am I better off buying new?

Thanks much,

Best of Luck,

Mike
 

kerry

Expedition Leader
HarborFreight has inexpensive tire irons that work well. I like the complex bend it has on one end.
 

overlander

Expedition Leader
my $0.02. I got a set for my kit, and really like them. Make sure you get experience using them in a controlled environment. I installed all my new BFG MT's myself using my irons, and was able to seat the rim and inflate using my compressor. was great experience. learned the importance of a lubricant (dishwashing fluid is great).
 

Martyn

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
Full set of videos on on board air and how to us tire tools on our website here

I concur that you should practice in your garage with all the tools before you hit the trail.
 

'05TJLWBRUBY

Adventurer
That's actually why I'm doing this-saving a TON of cash doing it myself over paying schwabs to do it for me. I have 5 to mount on new rims, 5 to dismount on old rims, and figure after paying for a new tool for trail use when needed, I'm still saving a bunch over paying to have it done. If I buy new, still will be coming out ahead, just would be cool to find a great deal on a used set if possible. I lost one recently for $100 complete, brand new, never used, with spoons! :Wow1: Obviously a deal like that won't happen very often, BUT still doesn't hurt to ask...

Best of Luck,

Mike
 

Martyn

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
Mike, How are you balancing the tires? Do you have a hand balance and weights or are you using plastic balls or neither??

How long does it take you to take a tire off the rim?

How long does it take you to put it back on the rim?

If you've looked at the videos I made of going through both processes is there anything different that you do in comparison to what I do?

What's the single hardest part of the process for you, and why?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer my questions. I run a number of tire repair clinic and your feedback would be invaluable for me.
 

overlander

Expedition Leader
Mike, How are you balancing the tires? Do you have a hand balance and weights or are you using plastic balls or neither??

How long does it take you to take a tire off the rim?

How long does it take you to put it back on the rim?

If you've looked at the videos I made of going through both processes is there anything different that you do in comparison to what I do?

What's the single hardest part of the process for you, and why?

Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer my questions. I run a number of tire repair clinic and your feedback would be invaluable for me.

Martyn,
Was that question for me or Mike?
 

'05TJLWBRUBY

Adventurer
Sorry for the confusion-yes, the comment had to be directed at Overlander...

I am intending on buying the unit in order to save money doing my own set of 10 tires here to start. I will be ONLY mounting/dismounting with the full intent of having a good understanding of the "how's" along the way with the 10 tires here at home in a controlled environment in my own shop. The side benefits will be saving money over paying to have this done. I will then take the 5 tires in to the shop to get professionally balaced on their machine. Hard to believe, but even after going to all this trouble, I'm still saving enough to make it worth the hassle. The side benefit is I then have a "tool" for my arsenol to be useful on the trail with the knowledge to put it to use. May be a round-about way of getting things done, but I'm saving money, gaining knowledge and gaining a useful tool all at the same time. I consider this a "win-win" any way you look at it.

Yes, have read and watched MANY vids, how to's, write-ups, etc.

If it's not too much to ask, if Overland could reply here as well for his way of doing things, I'd appreciate the info as well. I think it could benefit many at the same time.

Maybe my post isn't best suited for the "wtb" section, but if nothing else, good things are coming from it.

Best of Luck, and Thanks for the help!!!

Mike
 

kerry

Expedition Leader
If you're willing to dismount and mount them yourself, a simple inexpensive bubble balancer would probably save you more money per minute than the mounting.

I hadn't changed a tire by hand since I used to work on split truck rims in the late 1960's. A year or so ago I bought the irons and removed a 16" tire from a Chevy rim and put it on a Fuso rim. Took me probably an hour and a half to do it and figure out the correct techniques. I had planned to break the bead with a jack under the truck but finally discovered that the compound curve on the HF irons was actually more effective in breaking the bead. It took me a few attempts to get the right amount of ether in the tire to set the bead. In the process, a good time was had by all.
 

overlander

Expedition Leader
Well, it was a few years ago when I swapped from the original OEM Michelin Z tires that came on my 110 (which were tubed) to my BFG MT's. My purpose of getting the plyers was primarily so I would be able to repair tires on the trail, given that my objective was international travel, and I also wanted to eliminate the need to carry a second spare. by being able to remove a failed tire, I would have many more options at arranging a field fix to get me back to civilization.

Anyway, here's the items I needed (from memory) when I replaced my tires in my driveway.
  • my tire pliers are from Extreme Outback, and I have a pair. They are the deluxe version.
  • Air Compressor (mine is the yellow cheap chinese made one that I got from Pep Boys. So far it has been pretty robust)
  • lubricant (dish soap or veg oil)
  • valve tool (for removing/replacing air valves-I got mine from Expedition Exchange and it proved to be a really important tool for me)
  • cargo ratchet strap
  • Hi Lift jack

I taught myself to do the tire change using the pliers from a video that Extreme Outback had on their site. They have since redesigned the site and don't have the video, but I'm sure that Martyn's video is simliar. Once you do it, you won't forget, but you really need to do it live. I had to keep running back to the video during the process to understand some things. There is also a very significant learning curve. The first tire took me probably 30 minutes, and the last took me about 10 min IIR.

Tire Removal

  1. Use valve tool to remove the valve from the valve stem
  2. Use Hi-lift in reverse (using bumber) to break bead on both sides of tire
  3. lubricate inner rim of both sidewalls (to make removal easier)
  4. use tire pliers to work out top sidewall, then bottom sidewall to remove tire

Tire Installation

  1. lubricate both sidewall lips (don't hold back)
  2. place tire on top of wheel, and use tire plyers to work bottom sidewall onto wheel (tire will drop down to ground when this is complete)
  3. use one tire plier to work part of upper sidewall into wheel (you'll get about 40% of tire onto wheel)
  4. Hold your 40% under wheel with first plier, then use second plier to start working remaining sidewall into wheel (this is the hardest step of them all and requires practice and lubrication)
  5. When the entire tire is in the wheel, place the ratchet strap around the outer circumference of the tire in the middle and start cranking. This will squeeze the tire and start pushing out the sidewalls, thereby closing the gap against the inner rim
  6. Once the inner tire rims are snug against the wheel, turn the tire vertical and continue cranking until completely snug. this will give you enough seal so that your 12V compressor can get some pressure in there to hold the bead
  7. Attach the compressor and fire it up. With proper lubrication, when the pressure gets sufficient, the beads will seat by themselves. You can always wack on them if they are being stubborn.
  8. once the pressure is set, you're done (except for balancing)

When I did my tires, I used Equal to balance, but I won't do that again, so I don't have a field fix solution for balancing, although if you kept a bag of equal, that would balance you for a while on an expedition trip. It just didn't prove to be a good long term solution for me, so I went back to weights.

Martyn, chime in if I missed any steps. it's been a couple years since I did it.

I have a couple small quickfists that need to get mounted, that will be perfect for storage of my tire pliers.

Good luck, and watch Martyn's video's!
 

Martyn

Supporting Sponsor, Overland Certified OC0018
Lets make sure we are referring to the tools correctly.

The long steel bars used to get a tire off the rim are called Tire Irons, sometimes referred to as spoons. The come with different bends to the spoon on the end of the iron that help in the removal process.

Tyre Plyers are an Australian designed tool used to break the bead and release the tire from the rim.

The tools can bee seen here
 

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overlander

Expedition Leader
Lets make sure we are referring to the tools correctly.

The long steel bars used to get a tire off the rim are called Tire Irons, sometimes referred to as spoons. The come with different bends to the spoon on the end of the iron that help in the removal process.

Tyre Plyers are an Australian designed tool used to break the bead and release the tire from the rim.

The tools can bee seen here

Your right! I have a pair of tire irons (spoons). I do not have the device on the right for breaking beads.
 

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