EarthCruiser is closing!?!?!

[ThundahBeagle]

your expert doesnt know much history. there was a rolling series of ever more violent labor revolts in the US from 1870s-1920s. Similarly in Europe. oh and a little thing called the Russian revolution in 1905.

But yeah, sure, once they buried all the dead, some found jobs. The rest died in WW1, the 1918 pandemic and the depression.

Other than that it was pretty chill.

Perfect. As a Union Steward I was going to chime in at the "reskill" and "we all found jobs" throw away statements. But you got it. Morgan even hired Pinkerton to shoot down his own employees.

Correction. Carnegie

 

[ThundahBeagle]

The topic is earth cruiser manufacturing in a low labor cost country. The text I wrote, validates that the step is a losing senario. Case in point; most auto manufacturers will close Mexican factories. And discuss this as we speak.

Text? That was a veritable dissertation all about the wonders of AI.

AI is currently expensive. Certainly AI on a big manufacturing scale. Robots are expensive, certainly robots on a big manufacturing scale.

Most of what you are talking about might fit big manufacturing in years to come but these guys are small potatoes - they probably wont be able to afford AI controlled manufacturing robots at this point. In the next 5 years, maybe they rethink things then, who knows

 

[ReluctantTraveler]

Lowering operations and materials costs without sacrificing quality is just sound business practice. NE us manufacturing has moved to the US south before moving offshore. As much as we all like to be at that hipster fancy charcuterie, we want to pay pork chop prices. Nobody is being exploited of they are being given fair wages and work conditions for the area in which they live

This is a very common American perspective on the exploitation of the global south, so I'm not surprised to see it echoed so freely here.

The reality is, people are building things they could never in a lifetime afford to own at the prices they're paid. You could argue that happens with US-based labor, too, and you'd be right.

I would say that's also exploitation.

But I'm a filthy socialist, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ReluctantTraveler]

The only folks I've seen who think AI as its currently being sold is going to "change everything" at any point in the near future is...

• Wildly unaware of how the tech actually works
• Trying to sell you something AI-related
• both

 

[gator70]

Text? That was a veritable dissertation all about the wonders of AI.

AI is currently expensive. Certainly AI on a big manufacturing scale. Robots are expensive, certainly robots on a big manufacturing scale.

Most of what you are talking about might fit big manufacturing in years to come but these guys are small potatoes - they probably wont be able to afford AI controlled manufacturing robots at this point. In the next 5 years, maybe they rethink things then, who knows

Hmm, Humanoids lease payment is $300 a month each. They work 24rs a day

Musk was hiring anyone for $6000 a month recently. So the manufacturing task could be learned. And then the humanoid repeats it. Over and over again for $4.00. Even if the task is like the window installation.

The point to this discussion is Earthcruiser moving to Mexico production will not save the company. Twenty-five companies entered the over $400K market and there are not enough buyers. Too many sellers and not enough buyers.

You will see this by 2027. And a humanoid can handle eggs without breaking them,

 

[ReluctantTraveler]

Hmm, Humanoids lease payment is $300 a month each. They work 24rs a day

Musk was hiring anyone for $6000 a month recently. So the manufacturing task could be learned. And then the humanoid repeats it. Over and over again for $4.00. Even if the task is like the window installation.

I'm not worried...

 

[calameda]

Perfect. Knowing a Union Steward, I was going to chime in at the "reskill" and "we all found jobs" throw away statements. But you got it. Carnegie even hired Pinkerton to shoot down his own employees (Homestead strike) and the anthracite strike 10 years later and many struggles between and since

yeah. “Reskill” being code for some near min wage service job. There is a disease that’s infected the tech bro mind, one that’s utterly cavalier about human consequences. Should all these predictions come to pass (i doubt they will) our gator friend will be among its first casualties. “teaching AI agents for non technical folks”, give me a break. I give that job six months, tops.

 

[ReluctantTraveler]

yeah. “Reskill” being code for some near min wage service job. There is a disease that’s infected the tech bro mind, one that’s utterly cavalier about human consequences. I dare say should all these predictions come to pass (i doubt they will) our gator friend will be among its first casualties. “teaching AI agents for non technical folks”, give me a break. I give that job six months, tops.

100%! I work in tech, surrounded by tech bros, and that thinking is utterly pervasive and destructive.

And it's all a grift. Sell vaporware, make a quick buck, and bail before the fallout happens.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

This is a very common American perspective on the exploitation of the global south, so I'm not surprised to see it echoed so freely here.

The reality is, people are building things they could never in a lifetime afford to own at the prices they're paid. You could argue that happens with US-based labor, too, and you'd be right.

I would say that's also exploitation.

But I'm a filthy socialist, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, but, see...that's how its ALWAYS been. In Europe, Asia, Africa. Everywhere since the dawn of time. People want things built faster, better, and less expensive or some combination. It's not an American perspective.

I make x and it cost me 12 dollars to make it. I sell it for 25 bucks. Price of materials goes up, I'm not making the same margin. I get cheaper materials or cheaper labor, if I can. Otherwise I'm out of business unless government subsidizes my product

 

[Steve_382]

How many humans does it take to keep the humanoids operating, or will there be humanoids that also repair and build the humanoids? It will be interesting for sure.

 

[ThundahBeagle]

I'm not worried...

.yeah. I'm friends with someone whose spouse is a mechanic for Boston Dynamics. I said he's gonna be our undoing years ago. Add AI and the vast compendium of knowledge of the GoogiWiki, and the best we can hope for is that these things need Windows Updates and get hung up on KB12345678 or we can program them with the Azimov 3 Rules of Robots

 

[ThundahBeagle]

100%! I work in tech, surrounded by tech bros, and that thinking is utterly pervasive and destructive.

And it's all a grift. Sell vaporware, make a quick buck, and bail before the fallout happens.

I'm a Sys Admin who has not always been in IT... I cant believe the number of times we sit at the conference table trying to mindfvk our way to a technical solution, when all we have to do is flick a switch

 

[ReluctantTraveler]

Yeah, but, see...that's how its ALWAYS been. In Europe, Asia, Africa. Everywhere since the dawn of time. People want things built faster, better, and less expensive or some combination. It's not an American perspective.

I make x and it cost me 12 dollars to make it. I sell it for 25 bucks. Price of materials goes up, I'm not making the same margin. I get cheaper materials or cheaper labor, if I can. Otherwise I'm out of business unless government subsidizes my product

Not to be that guy, but the idea that it's always been that way is deeply rooted in colonialism. There are and have been cultures outside of European colonialism that did not operate this way.

There are plenty of cultures, many of them indigenous, that operated under totally different economic models.

Heck, even the model you just described is only true back to the start of capitalism. Before that, feudalism (objectively worse and more exploitative) operated under a different model.

 

[ReluctantTraveler]

I'm a Sys Admin who has not always been in IT... I cant believe the number of times we sit at the conference table trying to mindfvk our way to a solution, when all we have to do is flick a switch

🍻

 

[driveby]

Troubleshooting 101 in the modern age:
1. Is it plugged in? (reseat the plug)
2. Is it turned on? (turn it off and on again) - I have Roy from IT Crowd in my head here.....
3. What changed? (no really, what changed? It's not "nothing")
4. Repeat step 3
5. Once you know what changed, fix said change.