huntsonora
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Pot...Kettle
2014 Tundra
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Kaisen
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Then please support your viewpoint, and back it up with some facts. Thus far you have presented zero. Nothing to consider with an open mind. No data. No nothing.
Do you have anything to contribute? Or are you just trying to squelch a dissenting view?
I couldn't care less what you think of me. Just read what I write, keep an open mind, and form your own opinion (not one given to you).
That is your evidence? Ford videos and a picture of a broken part and then saying "common?"
Man I bet that GM could have avoided bankruptcy if only they wouldn't have wasted money building weak corporate 14s with steep gears and only used 10 bolts with a 3.08 gear and smaller tires!
Yes, those two highlighted statements are completely and totally false. The dealerships must purchase the parts from Toyota, then bill Toyota at their warranty rate structure which allows a reasonable profit to the dealership. This works the same way at every single Toyota dealership in the United States. Warranty work provides more total revenue and total profit for dealers than customer-pay for failure items out of warranty.
Tundra 10.5" carrier failure (relatively common)
Do a little reading here, won't take long:
http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-drivetrain/
Your turn, show me these strong (rather than big) parts!
Fair enough. You have made up your mind and are convinced you are correct. I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with the 1/2 ton truck rating on the tundras. And since I have no affiliation with Toyota, I don't particularly care how they get money from warranty. As I stated, I know what I'm told from someone who deals with it on the lowest level. If your buddy knows more about it, then fine. To me, it seems that having to warranty vehicles is bad for business. I stand corrected. I will, however, refer to them as a 1/2 ton truck, if for no other reason than to avoid these kind of pointless arguments
From what I saw on the powertrain forum was that Toyota was taking care of the issues that happened, where the Big 3 did not. That is good customer service, and that is one of the major selling points of a Toyota. I saw numerous threads where people said that their Big 3 dealer told them, "Tough luck". I would still buy a tundra over the others.
Anyway, I wish you well, and I'm sure we can avoid each other from here on out.
Cheers! :beer:
huntsonora
Explorer
I am just calling a spade a spade. I did support my viewpoint that you are a narcissist when I quoted you. Pretty evident by a lot of your posts that I am spot on. You think highly of yourself and look down on others that don't agree with you or have different opinions or experiences. There are many examples of you being a jerk on the forum. This is a good place with good people and you come in here with your sour attitude and it contributes nothing. You want people to listen to you? Quit being a ************** and grow up
Kaisen
Explorer
Where is YOUR supporting evidence otherwise? Have you provided ONE fact, diagram, photo, video, anecdote, or otherwise?
GM would have avoided bankruptcy if their legacy costs for union employees weren't billions more than Toyota. You know, the costs of pensions and health insurance for all of those retired workers that gave the auto industry 30+ years of their lives.
Those 'weak' Corporate 14s are still bigger than the Tundra's 10.5.....so does bigger = stronger, or not? I thought that was the ExPo consensus?
Or is it a contradiction that a big Toyota part is stronger, but a big Domestic part is weaker?
Upper left: Dana 80.....Upper right: 2007-current Toyota Tundra 10.5
Lower left: GM 14 bolt.....Lower right: 2006 Toyota Tundra
GM 1/2 tons now use 8.5" - 9.76" housings with 3.08 - 3.73 gearing, choosing to gear with the transmission rather than the differentials (just like Ford and Ram)
A 2014 GM with the 6.2L and 3.73 gears (or Ford EcoBoost V6) puts more torque to the wheel than a 2014 Toyota with the 5.7L and 4.30 gears. So why the need for big high-friction gears? They're not stronger, so why bother?
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Kaisen
Explorer
Want people to listen to you? Actually say something to contribute to the thread, rather than just calling out a contributor
huntsonora
Explorer
I am contributing to the thread by asking you to quit being a **************. This thread and forum would be a better place if you didn't talk down to folks.
Kaisen
Explorer
My mind is still open if anyone can provide proof that the current Toyota Tundra is better or stronger than any other half ton pickup.
So far not one person has stepped up and provided their own data
That's great! Because it is a 1/2 ton.
Yet you decided to incorrectly call me out on it
That's called a warranty. Contradiction?
Toyota's powertrain warranty (you know, the warranty that covers engines, transmissions, transfer cases, axles, differentials, etc)....
is 60,000 miles
GM and Ram....
is 100,000 miles
Are you stating or inferring that GM and Ram turns away owners with powertrain issues at, say, 90K miles but Toyota (whose warranty ran out 30K miles ago) would step up and cover it? You know GM and Ram would have to, under law, right?
Good for you. That's why there are so many choices out there. Different strokes for different folks. Some people choose to buy Nicki Minaj albums, shop at Wal Mart, and smoke cigarettes. Good for them.
Kaisen
Explorer
I'm a ************** because I have a dissenting opinion and I'm willing to back it up?
Grow some thicker skin, there have been no personal attacks or name calling in this thread......oh, wait
huntsonora
Explorer
So referring to others as "sheeple" and "sheep" in an attempt to discredit them is perfectly acceptable behavior then? Its not that you have a different opinion, its that you talk down to others that do not agree with you. For a man that thinks pretty highly of his intelligence you seem to have a difficult time understanding this. Its not that hard. Get the last word, get it out of your system and then please quit acting like a passive aggressive little B so we can get back to enjoying this forum. You have been polluting it lately
Thank you
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Kaisen
Explorer
I didn't single anyone out. Sheeple are simply those in groups willing to follow. I think that fits the "Expedition Vehicles" section of Expedition Portal pretty well, with some notable exceptions. Again, not aimed at any one specific person. And no foul language.
Yes, I think it's perfectly acceptable
Now that we've established this, I assume it's also acceptable to directly call another member here a "**************". Good to know.
I didn't know there was a limitation on how much I could respond or contribute. Where are the rules this, so I can comply and obey?
Or is "polluting" sharing dissenting views? Are we all supposed to assimilate and sit around the ExPo campfire and sing Kumbaya in harmony?
I respect your opinions and viewpoints, although you've done nothing to state what they are. Only that you don't like me. And I respect that too.
Cheers!
huntsonora
Explorer
I don't dislike you Kaisen, I don't even know you. What I dislike is the way you talk down to people. I am pretty sure you are a knowledgable guy but when you come across the way you do nothing productive comes from it. I am not the only person that feels this way. Others have mentioned it in passing but it didn't do any good so I am a bit more to the point. I have zero issues calling it like I see it. My opinion is worth what you paid for it which is nothing so carry on however you see fit
Where is YOUR supporting evidence otherwise? Have you provided ONE fact, diagram, photo, video, anecdote, or otherwise?
GM would have avoided bankruptcy if their legacy costs for union employees weren't billions more than Toyota. You know, the costs of pensions and health insurance for all of those retired workers that gave the auto industry 30+ years of their lives.
Those 'weak' Corporate 14s are still bigger than the Tundra's 10.5.....so does bigger = stronger, or not? I thought that was the ExPo consensus?
Or is it a contradiction that a big Toyota part is stronger, but a big Domestic part is weaker?
Upper left: Dana 80.....Upper right: 2007-current Toyota Tundra 10.5
Lower left: GM 14 bolt.....Lower right: 2006 Toyota Tundra
GM 1/2 tons now use 8.5" - 9.76" housings with 3.08 - 3.73 gearing, choosing to gear with the transmission rather than the differentials (just like Ford and Ram)
A 2014 GM with the 6.2L and 3.73 gears (or Ford EcoBoost V6) puts more torque to the wheel than a 2014 Toyota with the 5.7L and 4.30 gears. So why the need for big high-friction gears? They're not stronger, so why bother?
What do I need evidence for--I haven't make any assertions. You are the one "convinced" of something that I guess all of us sheeple are just to unenlightened to see (I actually have a 6.0L GM product sitting next to my Tundra in the garage). I was simply pointing out the fallacies of your arguements. You stated that said a 9" diff with tall gears is just as strong as a 10.5" one with steep gears--so why did GM bother at all? I was obviously joking that the the corporate 14 is weak--but you seem to think that anything Toyota=bad; anything "domestic"= good.
Kaisen
Explorer
No, what I said was that a numerically higher gear NEEDS to be larger than a numerically lower gear or it will be WEAKER. Re-read the engineering from my previous post if you care why. A 9" 4.30:1 ring and pinion will be weaker than a 9" 3.73:1 ring and pinion. A 10.5" 4.30:1 ring and pinion is likely quite equivalent to a 9" 3.73:1 ring and pinion. I do think -- and this is an opinion -- it was a dumb move for Toyota to necessitate the large gear (3.90-4.30) because of their transmission small-gear engineering choice. It's one reason why they don't get the fuel economy they could/should. But kudos to Toyota for going to a 10.5" rear end, because had they stuffed 4.30s in a 8.5" housing they may have had issues. Do they still fail? Yep. Do GMs still fail? Yep. Fords? Yep. Is there a greater rate of failure for Toyotas over the others? Nope, not when considering all things (they all have their Achille's heel).
Toyota = good
Domestic = good too
All modern trucks are statistically good in the sense of reliability and durability
Where they differ (more) is now power levels, NVH, ride, finishes, fuel economy, and some capabilities/capacities.
But not "quality" as it pertains to breaking/failing
I don't think modern Toyotas are bad
I just don't think they are any better built, overall (and yes, there is evidence to this)
Neither is a modern Ford, GM, or Nissan