Add to my growing issues w/ the Sport, new clattering noise
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PirateMcGee
Expedition Leader
Going to go out on a limb here but at what point is this vehicle no longer worth the headache/time/money? It's got quite a few miles on it, was clearly neglected in the past, and isn't worth much money. At this point I would get a newer/lower mileage sport and use this one for parts...
redraif
The uphill battle begins
I think I may let the shop owner listen to that clattering noise tomorrow. It seems to be getting stronger. The whole Harmonic balancer/crank pulley thing has to be dealt with by him anyway since it was his guy that did not tighten the bolt properly in the first place. In order to verify all is well after the mechanic's error, I'm going to tell him he needs to pull the timing cover. I want everything verified 100% with the timing belt, pulleys, locator pin, keyway and woodruff key. And if there is a chance the timing cover is cracked... again his guy took it off when they replaced the water pump 3000 miles ago.
There are no misfire codes, so I don't suspect an injector issue.
Honestly, I'm more worried whatever it is, is getting worse and might implode....
Will report back!
There are no misfire codes, so I don't suspect an injector issue.
Honestly, I'm more worried whatever it is, is getting worse and might implode....
Will report back!
IncorpoRatedX
Explorer
that might help, but the lifter design itself is the problem, the ticking will just return again.
This vehicle of yours, it doesnt seem to have much for 'major' issues but you seem to be making a big stink about every little issue. It's apparent you'd like to learn, but don't expect a community to educate you in response to your every posted question. Utilize the search function and google.
Something to remember in this day and age; 'There are over 3.2 billion people with internet access; if you're having a problem, someone else has had the same problem, google it'
Beyond that, I suggest getting a reputable mitsu mechanic. When you see mitsu's in your area, ask the owner who they have worked on the cars. Ask their review, and especially look at shop reviews online and ask if they have a tech with a lot of experience in mitsu's. They are out there, there are many of them.
BEG
Adventurer
There is a procedure for eliminating lifter tick by priming the valve lash adjuster, if that's what the problem is. It's very simple:
https://www.4x4wire.com/mitsubishi/tech/minutemods/lifter_noise/
redraif
The uphill battle begins
Might have just found the issue.
Was under the rig to see how my oil free motor's exterior was fairing.... had a leak made itself known? found a leak. Could be the front pass cam seal? This was replaced though... hmmm...
So I was tracing it up and forward. Right at the alternator, behind the timing cover... my flash light hit a glint of metal that did not seem right.... right up above the crank pulley....
Good grief the worn through plastic....
It's going straight to the shop. The Tech who screwed up the pulley install by not tq the bolt when doing the water pump... clearly did not install the timing covers right. That or the pulley shifted something and tweaked the cover placement. Either way.... they goofed and this is the result.
I hope there is nothing seriously destroyed under that cover. But I'm going to stand my ground that this is on them to fix on their dime.
Looking at my picture and then the pic of the motor a bit back in this thread.... I would assume I'm seeing my tensioner tearing thru the cover.
Was under the rig to see how my oil free motor's exterior was fairing.... had a leak made itself known? found a leak. Could be the front pass cam seal? This was replaced though... hmmm...
So I was tracing it up and forward. Right at the alternator, behind the timing cover... my flash light hit a glint of metal that did not seem right.... right up above the crank pulley....
Good grief the worn through plastic....
It's going straight to the shop. The Tech who screwed up the pulley install by not tq the bolt when doing the water pump... clearly did not install the timing covers right. That or the pulley shifted something and tweaked the cover placement. Either way.... they goofed and this is the result.
I hope there is nothing seriously destroyed under that cover. But I'm going to stand my ground that this is on them to fix on their dime.
Looking at my picture and then the pic of the motor a bit back in this thread.... I would assume I'm seeing my tensioner tearing thru the cover.
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redraif
The uphill battle begins
Well saying "Google it" is all well and good when you know exactly what to google. This noise... no idea what it was. I had mild lifter tick at start up prior to this noise. This is something new that threw me. I have been searching on google and on multiple forums. I always search before I ask. Funny you don't even realize all the times I have found my answers and never even posted.
Google... you will come across a ton of self professed car know it alls who don't know crap. Can't believe everything you read online. Personally I would rather ask here and get some think tank theories & nudging by people who know these rigs then run with something some 17 year old posted vaguely about on a forum that he and his buddies rigged with their riced wanna be race honda. Not to mention each vehicle has its own specific quirks. This is specifically why I ask in certain instances. Not asking for hand holding, just points in the right direction. And sometimes just the courage to take something on myself.
Searche... sometimes the returns give me threads where the question is asked and the resolution never posted. Or I get search results that are too large because I don't search the exact correct phrase. No one in my family is a mechanic, nor are any friends... knowing the correct names and car specific lingo to describe exact issues... well you need those before you can type the question to get the right answer. So yeah I describe whats going on & ask questions... sorry if my "Little issues" are trivial to you guys. Getting them all at once makes them less trivial and more overwhelming to me. Trying to educate myself to see what pieces of this I can take on myself and save the cash for the other stuff.
Food for thought...
bikerjosh
Explorer
@redraif good job finding the issue with the shop install. Keep us posted on the outcome. Don't let the comments like "google it" get in the way. Yes some things are easier than others to search out, but the bottom line is this is a forum of users that enjoy helping other folks solve their vehicle problems and sharing their knowledge. Other folks DIY threads, have helped me countless times with my Montero and 4runner before that.
Josh:coffeedrink:
Josh:coffeedrink:
redraif
The uphill battle begins
Thank you... yes DIYS are a god sent!
Shop seems to be willing to cover damages without a fuss. Fingers crossed for the teardown on monday...
Best guess on why the noise was present at cold start & gone after warm up...
The plastic is rigid when cold. The truck starts and the pulley and such scrub the plastic and such. Truck warms up and friction has melted or softened the plastic. Noise is now quiet.
Let the truck sit overnight and the plastic hardens again...
What yah think?
redraif
The uphill battle begins
This is what happened... Got a report today from the shop. The tech did not tighten any of the bolts to spec under the timing cover. The tensioner bolt had started backing out and the tensioner started rubbing on the lower timing cover... rubbing a hole through it.
Now I'm trying to get the shop to replace the timing cover. Seems they are moving spaces and were just going to button things back up. No way! That cover HAS to be REPLACED! The crank pulley and bolt I already said I wanted replaced. Its the original style, so the truck needs to go to the new improved version at a minimum. He is in a hurry to get it out of the shop. Well I'm in a hurry to get it fixed CORRECTLY!
redraif
The uphill battle begins
So he is closing the shop or at least downsizing... ugh... making it difficult to get things clear that if it means we have to wait for mitsu to get the parts we have to.
Wait my timing cover should look like... thanks to youtube...
Here is what mine looks like...
Close up...
Ground out so perfect it looks like it should have been that way... lol...
Had to show him the picture from the screen capture to prove it's was not notched from the factory. He is going to try to get a replacement cover used to get it faster. I told him he needs to replace it for sure. I'm not trying to risk trash or water in with my timing belt if this thing goes off road.
Oh and my motor has a hydraulic tensioner not spring....
My tensioner looks like above..
Wait my timing cover should look like... thanks to youtube...
Here is what mine looks like...
Close up...
Ground out so perfect it looks like it should have been that way... lol...
Had to show him the picture from the screen capture to prove it's was not notched from the factory. He is going to try to get a replacement cover used to get it faster. I told him he needs to replace it for sure. I'm not trying to risk trash or water in with my timing belt if this thing goes off road.
Oh and my motor has a hydraulic tensioner not spring....
Under passenger side cam you will find tensioner and you want to see metal rod in the circle. When i first got to it there was no gap, meaning my tensioner compressed - FAILED
My tensioner looks like above..
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redraif
The uphill battle begins
All that oil was from a leaky cam seal when we first got the truck 20,000 miles ago. Apparently they didn't clean any of the oil off the part's when they replaced the seals and timing belt. :/
The belt is dry to the touch. I touched it personally and got zero oil residue or debris on my hands. As for the rest of the insides... LOL... Yes there is oil all over... I asked him to clean up everything with what ever cleaner is safe to spray around the timing belt. Not sure if brake cleaner will cause premature rot or I would have grabbed a can myself! I wiped the accessory brake down with a rag to try to get the clumps of old oil off. Again asked him to spray it all down.
There is an oil leak of some kind at the front of the motor... leaking down by the alternator. I said you have it apart, find the darn leak. Maybe the neck on the oil filler is leaking? I just need it verified its not the cam seals. I have read they can be a beast to get 100%. if its bad fix it while you are in there. I will buy the dang seal!
I asked Saturday if the tensioner and belt were hitting the metal accessory bracket. He said they did not. That he found no wear on either just the plastic. He was so wishy washy about the timing cover... If I can actually get him to replace the cover I'm going to be lucky.... I told him get one from the junkyard if he has to. He is downsizing the shop and freaking about having it there for very long. I told him mitsu said they could get it in a week.... call lkq I said just get it fixed. I'm not comfortable having the belt open to the environment, Esp since I might take it off road soon. He said he would fix it right one way or the other...
Talked to the shop owners wife just now. She was not happy that he suggested a junk yard part to replace the timing cover that was damaged. She got the Mitsu part number from me and is going to see about getting a new one ASAP! So good news there!
The belt is dry to the touch. I touched it personally and got zero oil residue or debris on my hands. As for the rest of the insides... LOL... Yes there is oil all over... I asked him to clean up everything with what ever cleaner is safe to spray around the timing belt. Not sure if brake cleaner will cause premature rot or I would have grabbed a can myself! I wiped the accessory brake down with a rag to try to get the clumps of old oil off. Again asked him to spray it all down.
There is an oil leak of some kind at the front of the motor... leaking down by the alternator. I said you have it apart, find the darn leak. Maybe the neck on the oil filler is leaking? I just need it verified its not the cam seals. I have read they can be a beast to get 100%. if its bad fix it while you are in there. I will buy the dang seal!
I asked Saturday if the tensioner and belt were hitting the metal accessory bracket. He said they did not. That he found no wear on either just the plastic. He was so wishy washy about the timing cover... If I can actually get him to replace the cover I'm going to be lucky.... I told him get one from the junkyard if he has to. He is downsizing the shop and freaking about having it there for very long. I told him mitsu said they could get it in a week.... call lkq I said just get it fixed. I'm not comfortable having the belt open to the environment, Esp since I might take it off road soon. He said he would fix it right one way or the other...
Talked to the shop owners wife just now. She was not happy that he suggested a junk yard part to replace the timing cover that was damaged. She got the Mitsu part number from me and is going to see about getting a new one ASAP!
So good news there!
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redraif
The uphill battle begins
OK I just got confirmation. They ordered a new lower timing cover from Mitsu that they are paying for. They also opted to pay for the new style crank pulley bolt.... maybe mine was damaged? Any way I'm paying for the crank pulley washer and new crank pulley. So all good! They came through and did the right thing.