Anyone have tips for spray painting my XJ?

cnskate

Adventurer
Well, $300 and not a drop of sweat on my part and Maaco did a pretty decent paint job for me. Desert Tan (ish) is one of the cheap colors:wings: I'm pretty impressed with it, and so is everyone who has seen it. If I had done even a little prep work myself it would be really nice. How it holds up in the long run is another question, but I tend to pinstripe my paint pretty heavily, so I don't really care.

If you ever decide to do it, brace yourself for some cheesy high pressure sales. I had to start walking towards the door before they gave me the price, plus extra prep work haha, that they mentioned on the phone.
 

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jh504

Explorer
Okay, my friend told me I should throw in my 2 cents.

***DISCLAIMER**** I am NOT a paint professional, this is just my experience.

Last year we painted my 87 XJ. A caveat, to do it right takes A LOT of skill, or some supernatural good luck that I just don't have. How'd mine turn out? Acceptable for now, and if it weren't such a pita, I'd repaint it. Here's what I learned in the process.

Setup - Get a good mask. Get some old clothes. Get some cheap clear goggles. You'll need a 2 car garage to paint an XJ, diagonal parking works well. Make a pretty big area to mix your paint and chemicals. Acetone cleans stuff well. DON'T put your compressor around where your paint is (it'll inhale the paint and die).

Prep work is key, like they say. We were on the tail end of a complete overhaul, so I took everything off rather than messing with taping everything (which sucks and is really hard to do right - you'll miss part of something and paint what you didn't want to, or tape too much and leave your original color underneath). We took off everything, door handles, locks, windows, seals, rack, lights, bumpers, EVERYTHING.

Prep 2, from the paint store, get a big roll of clear plastic to cover your garage, tires, and ESPECIALLY, the inside of your Jeep. (with not windows, we had also taken out everything inside (headliner, carpet, seats, plastic trim, etc.), BUT, the paint mist drifts EVERYWHERE, and while you're painting you won't see where it goes. On that note, make sure you vent your garage, and wherever your vent goes, make sure nothing out there will get paint on it (like the windshield you took out - duh).

Painting:
There are different types of paint, but here's what WE did (remember, I kind of suck at this, so take it with a grain of salt).

1. Sand off all of your existing clearcoat. This can be with pretty rough sandpaper (a paint shop can tell you what grit, I can't remember, rough though).

2. Scuff your existing paint (again, fairly rough).

3. Primer it. Primer's cheaper than paint even if you get the good stuff, so definitely primer it. And primer it a lot. You don't want to put it on so thick that it runs, but it dries quick, so do lots of little coats. Some parts we did 4-5, others more. You'll sand it, so make sure you have enough to not sand through.

4. Then, you have to sand the primer. If you've never wet-sanded, read up on it. There are wet and dry sandpapers, get the wet stuff, like pretty high grit (500 - 1000 I THINK). *I* cut a block of wood down to about 1x1x1/2 inch to wrap the sandpaper around to make it easier to sand with. This is where your arm will fall off. Sanding a whole XJ with a tiny block takes forever, but you have to do it to make it look good. You want to get it rediculously smooth. *I* made the mistake of thinking the paint or clear layers on top would sort of gel over any texture in the primer and forgive imperfections, but they do the opposite. A bucket of water and a TON of sandpaper (way more than you think you'll need) and a stool get it done though. *I* went over curved parts without the wood block, just with my fingers behind the sandpaper and that worked pretty well. IF you sand too far and get down to your old paint, you have to reprimer it, and patching what you did and sanding it down is possible, but REALLY HARD. ***KEY POINT*** XJs are square, so you can do straight, whole panels, so do that, the folds in the metal are MUCH more forgiving than the middle of a panel.

5. Painting - the main event. This is where I had trouble. Some panels turned out just fine. I THINK those are the ones that I did like mentioned in a previous post, with really thin layers, and lots of them. Other panels I got drips. My paint was Bright Metallic Silver (chrysler 97+), and drips look bad. A FEW times, and I say only as emergency, I was able to use a lint-free cloth (like an old t-shirt), and wiped it off really quick before it had ANY chance to set, and could tap it to patch it. More often than not, I think I would have been better to redo that panel, which REALLY SUCKS.

Here's where I spent MONTHS AND MONTHS. One of the back pillars gave me trouble and I kept trying to patch it and fix it and redo it, etc. It was literally paint it in the morning, realize it didn't work right within about 10 minutes, come back at lunch break, sand down that part, wash it, let it dry, and then after work, try to paint it again. I'd get one part fixed, but another part would get f-ed up. I reprimed it, I repainted it, I did EVERYTHING to get it right, and in the end, I still don't like that panel very much. I *THINK* at some point you can sort of fatigue it too much and maybe I should have gone all the way down to bare metal, primed it from THERE, and then painted. I never went beyond down to the original coat of factory paint. Who knows. That one corner litlerally added on 5-6 months. OH, and temperature/humidity sucks. Part of my dilemma was that over winter, it peaked 50degrees at lunch, so only once a day could I do anything. So follow those directions on the paint can there.

The other thing, is I felt like I was really losing perspective on what looked good enough and what didn't. I definitely hit pefectionism there, combined with not having much experience. And paint's expensive, so having to buy more really hurt. But sadly, i can tell you, if it looks bad in some lighting, or some condition, or whatever, it WILL look bad outside. At about 20-30 feet it's probably good, but up close, it WILL look like that.

Lighting - Buy some garage flouresent lights, mount them on a cheap light stand or tipod or something vertically, and you can move them around to see better. Light is definitely your friend.

6. Clearcoat - You thought paint sounded hard? Clearcoat's worse. Why? It's sticky. From what I could gather, you want to do thin layers, and lots of them. It SEEMS like clearcoats sort of gels a bit as it dries, but I fell into using too much and got drips. DO NOT WIPE THE DRIPS. Anything and everything will stick to clearcoat. Even fingers or gloves will give it texture, which is what you're trying to avoid. The opposite of drips is what they call 'orange peel'. It looks like it sounds. Texture like little dips in the clearcoat. It's a sign there's not enough clearcoat on there apparently, BUT I think if your thin layers dry too much between them, they don't really...gel together. So it's like sprinkling mud onto concrete. if it's not solid and it dries, you get hard bumps. Then, if you sprinkle more on, it won't bond with the other clumps, and then it dries, and then you sprinkle on more, and eventually, you have a lot of it, but it's not the same as putting on a lot that's all wet. BUT, too much, too wet = drips. Also, you probably want your clearcoat to be pretty thick since it's your outside most layer. Someone who really knows paint would definitely be a better source on this, but this is my experience.

7. Color-sanding - IF you did your clearcoat right, and it looks good, don't do this. It REALLY sucks. You have to do it in some window I don't remember (LIKE more than -- hours, less than -- hours) so it's dry enough to sand, but not hard enough to be like stone. What you're doing is sanding similar to the primer sanding, but with some super super high grit wet sandparper, like 2000 grit, or a solid sanding block you can get from the paint store (kind of cool). What you do here as I understand it, is sand down the imperfections in the clearcoat. This is where you need to have a lot of layers of clearcoat. Sand really gently, and you'll be able to feel when you've got it. It's like it goes from being slick feeling and wet, to being SO smooth that your fingers stick (think boots on a gym floor vs skater shoes). Apparently, color-sanding is like what hot-rodders do to super-nice paint jobs (or what saps do when they're trying to fix a bad paint job and want to spend literally days wearing their arm down to a nub - we color-sanded for something like a total of 30+ hours spread over a week or so). Anyhow, this is where you get rid of the drips in clearcoat. You have to sand the drip, but not the paint around it, which is like, so fine you have to use a microscope to see it. Anyhow, once you start color-sanding, you pretty much have to do a lot of it. The whole panel if you can make it match the rest of the vehicle, and if it doesn't match, the whole vehicle.

8. Buffing and polishing - more equipment, more supplies. I don't remember at this point which is which, but one you have to do if you've color-sanded, because it's like super super fine sanding, and the other just makes it look better. This takes a while, but a buffer-polisher makes it go quicker than things like sanding. This stuff will sling all over the place and make a mess, and you have to be ready to rinse it off fairly soon.

9. Sweat bullets when someone parks their pos 71 honda next to it in a parking lot, or when you go through branches on the trail. Yell at people who put a drink on your hood. Constantly critique your work. Plan to repaint and swear you'll do it better.

After all's said and done, go to u-pull it and buy a hood and paint the heck out of the door before you mess with your ride. A hood is good because it's big, flat, and challenging. Then buy a door, and paint a door. Practice. Something I had to do ON my jeep. Big mistake. It's like anything that other people do professionally, they screwed up a lot before they got it right, but they had a mentor, or it was someone else's car, or they did 10 cheap pos cars where the owners didn't care, before anyone let them take the gun to a really nice car. It won't be perfect. Paint's expensive. Count on painting a car and a half, and waste part of it on the hood/door project. Suck it up. You can experiment with your XJ, or on parts.

Or rattle-can it.

Oh, and here are a few pics. Sorry no close ups.
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Good write up.

Dont think our man wants to mess with clearcoat though. If not, scuff your current paint job up but dont remove it. Rattle can over the top. The intact paint underneath will protect your metal from the pores that are in the spray paint.
 

24HOURSOFNEVADA

Expedition Leader
http://www.ericsxj.com/paint/paint.htm

Here is a link to a guy who did exactly what you're doing. He also literally wrote the book on XJ's.

I know Eric (Co worker and we've done a trip or two together) and while his write up makes it sound mellow and no big deal, he really is a perfectionist. He is an intelligent, methodical guy and when I met him he had just gotten the XJ book deal approved. I'm sure he put in the proper prep time and energy that is required.

One trick that nobody has mentioned with spray painting is; Get a bucket of warm/hot water. Place the cans in the warm/hot water while your finishing the last of your prep work. Grab a can from the bucket to spray and the effects of the warm water on the atomization of the paint makes the spray a lot smoother.
 

BIGdaddy

Expedition Leader
do you guys think you could post some smaller pics? hahaaa..c'mon!! he's looking at your paintjob!!!

:elkgrin:

help a brother out and 400x600 your photo's

:D
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
IT is BIG...

Uh...wait, thats what I tell the misses...:sombrero:
Sorry..thats the only pics I have of it before the pine tree squished it like a grape!
:(
 

AZTACO

Observer
Well, $300 and not a drop of sweat on my part and Maaco did a pretty decent paint job for me. Desert Tan (ish) is one of the cheap colors:wings: I'm pretty impressed with it, and so is everyone who has seen it. If I had done even a little prep work myself it would be really nice. How it holds up in the long run is another question, but I tend to pinstripe my paint pretty heavily, so I don't really care.

If you ever decide to do it, brace yourself for some cheesy high pressure sales. I had to start walking towards the door before they gave me the price, plus extra prep work haha, that they mentioned on the phone.

Do you have any more/bigger pic of this I am interested in this route. AZTACO
 

gasman

Adventurer
i rattle canned my heep a couple of years ago, i got tired of the scratches from the bush and branches.. i just scuffed the paint lightly , masked everything off and went at it .. with krylon OD camo.. its ready for some touch ups.. but it has held up pretty darn good...
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AZTACO

Observer
What did you use to scuff it? AZTACO

i rattle canned my heep a couple of years ago, i got tired of the scratches from the bush and branches.. i just scuffed the paint lightly , masked everything off and went at it .. with krylon OD camo.. its ready for some touch ups.. but it has held up pretty darn good...
IMG_3451.jpg
 

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