CB antenna mounting

Lone Bear

New member
Hello, it's been many years since I have owned a CB. Was wondering what antenna would work best. I used a stainless whip on my FJ40 because it was durable for off road abuse. Now I have a 02' Dodge Ram Diesel with an cab over Alaskan camper and was thinking of the best placement for the antenna.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
Hello, it's been many years since I have owned a CB. Was wondering what antenna would work best. I used a stainless whip on my FJ40 because it was durable for off road abuse. Now I have a 02' Dodge Ram Diesel with an cab over Alaskan camper and was thinking of the best placement for the antenna.

Center of metal part of roof (may or may not include your camper) would be best placement however you may/may not want to drill there. If only for trail use, then mounting to a bumper or on a bracket attached in your bed should work fine but would provide limited range when compared to the above.

If you didn't remember, be sure to also tune your antenna using an SWR meter. HTH
 

angusdevil

Adventurer
In my 04 Ram, I've had good luck with the Firestik mount that attaches to the front fender and sticks out under the hood. It also helps keep the wire distance minimal and has plenty of grounding options within a few feet.

http://www.firestik.com/Catalog/MK-184R.htm

I know these style of mounts are quite popular in the Northwest (no clue why, I've just seen WAY more there than anywhere else in the country)
 

nickt

Adventurer, Overland Certified OC0009
This is what I did on my truck-camper.

For CB use, I like both the Firestiks and the K40 SF200s. On the Land Rovers, the CB antennas are mounted high and I've lost several Firestiks in arguments with low branches. I like the K40 SF200s as they bend more and they don't cost me anything when I realise that my D90 is almost 3m tall with the antenna, not 2m! I think the Firestiks have the edge on performance though.

I usually get my CB stuff from Walcott CB.

Cheers,
Nick.
 

silentsamurai

Explorer
Like the others said. Depends what you want to do. If you want to use it daily driving and do a lot of trails like myself. You are gonna have to go rooftop for best all around results. If you plan on taking it off after use and dont use it again till your next outing, then a single firestik II will work just fine.

I myself use mine alot, therefore i drilled a hole in my roof and installed a wilson 1000. it's got a 4 1/2ft whip or so on it and i can get about 8+ miles on average with it. that because its on the roof of course. put it on your front bumper you're only gonna get whats in front of you, same with the rear bumper.

Firestik II for weekends / non permanent

Wilson 1000 magnet mount / or hard mount for best all around results.

(i tend to stay away from mag mounts, because a thick branch can knock em over)


hope that helps.
 
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Scenic WonderRunner

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http://www.olypen.com/craigh/antennab.htm


Mobile Antennas:
The Compromises of Placement vs. Performance

By: Craig Houghtaling

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The most important element of a good radio installation, is the antenna. Just like a stereo system will only sound as good as it's speakers, a radio system is only as good as it’s antenna's performance. Therefore antenna selection and placement are important factors to consider if you are trying to achieve the best performance.

If you are mounting your antenna for looks and don't really care about performance, don't bother reading any further, there is nothing in this article you will want to read. For the rest who are still with me, please understand that in my business, lives may depend on the radios I install, so maximum performance is essential, and my number one goal.

Since I am writing about mobile antennas, please assume that everything I say primarily applies to mobiles only (I won't draw distinction between bases and mobiles even though many points here apply to both). There is a lot of controversy over mobile antenna types and placement especially when it comes to CBs, opinions abound (I've heard 'em all) and everyone seems to be an "expert", hopefully I can provide some basic facts about this subject, in simple terms, so you can be aware of what you are up against, and make intelligent informed decisions on your installation.


~o~
A ground plane antenna (which all land mobile CB antennas are), needs to have 2 things, an adequate radiating element (radiator), and an adequate counterpoise or ground plane (GP), usually the body. Since an antenna must be at least 1/4 of its radio's wavelength, nearly all CB antennas have to be a compromise of either the radiator, or the GP. The only one that is not, would be an 8 ft 1/4 wave (108") stainless steel whip mounted on a spring in the middle of the roof. This is not a very practical setup, not to mention ugly. VHF, UHF, and Cellular have a much shorter radio wavelength, and therefore the antennas are relatively compact, and mounting is less of a problem than for CB antennas, so let's explore the compromises for the CB.

"Loaded" antennas for a CB, (everything shorter than 108", and with a base coil) are a compromise in the radiator, but don't compromise the GP, and allow you to use the middle of the roof, which is the beast GP. Bare in mind, the radiation pattern will always travel over the mass of the ground plane, so in the middle of the roof, the pattern will be the most uniform in all directions. If you place the antenna on the left front fender, you will have a directional pattern, it will radiate stronger to the right rear of the vehicle. It will still radiate in all other directions, just not as well (VHF & UHF are less affected by this because they use a smaller GP). The best loaded antennas for CB, VHF & UHF, are made by Antenex. I my business, I have yet to replace one that has failed. Maxrad is a very good second.

If you use the roof for more than one antenna, or you have a rack or light bar, try to observe a minimum a separation distance of 36" for the CB (you can cheat down to 24"), 2 meter needs 18", and as little as 10" for 440 mhz & cellular. You need the same distance from a rack, or light bar. A loaded CB can be as little as 18" from these things as long as the whip itself is clear of the obstruction.

Since the GP should also be 1/4 wavelength in diameter, rack mounting does not work well for VHF & UHF, because they are too far from the roof, and try to use the rack as a GP, which isn't as efficient as the roof. Even if the rack is grounded to the body with a wire or strap, it isn't RF coupled to the roof, and the bars will try to act like radiators, scattering the signal in an ineffective and unpredictable pattern for all frequency bands. Even a CB can't effectively get a good RF coupling through a rack. The ground plane needs to appear solid to the RF radiation in order to effectively radiate its energy out in a usable pattern. So a roof rack would have to have a metal (or wire mesh) floor in order to be a good GP.

Think of the ground plane as a launching pad for the radio waves.
Now think of yourself as a radio wave, ready to bounce into the air.
The roof of a vehicle is like a trampoline...
A roof rack is like clotheslines.....
Now which would work better to bounce from?
It would take a lot of clothes lines to make a good trampoline.
It would take a metal floor roof rack to make a good ground plane.



If the roof is not a practical location (because of a rack, or you're not willing to drill a hole), then the next best spot (besides the middle of the trunk for a car), is on a 90º angle bracket attached to the inner panel of the front fender. This location will provide decent performance for a CB even though it will be somewhat directional. For higher frequencies like 2 meter, 440 mhz, and cellular this location is quite acceptable. This is because as the frequency increases, less GP is needed, therefore placement is more forgiving. You should never use the bumper for an antenna mount, unless you really don't care how you radio performs, and "through the glass" antennas for any frequency, are the last choice (cellular is the only one that works fairly well, but still not the best). Magnet mounts are not really grounded to the GP, and so their performance is poor, and gets worse in the rain. They’re okay for temporary use on the highway, but are an un-acceptable choice for use on any vehicle that is used off-road, especially in wooded areas. 27 mhz is very unforgiving, and a bad (SWR) match can blow the transmitter in an instant. I have repaired a lot of CBs that were using a mag mount, 'till it got knocked over.

If you desire maximum range and performance from your CB, then you do not want to compromise the radiator, and you will need to consider mounting a full ¼ wave antenna somewhere... but your choices are few. The bumper is probably the poorest location for an antenna you can find, because the body blocks too much of the radiator, and usually gives a bad SWR (you might as well have a shorter loaded antenna where it will do some good). Mounting it on a tire carrier or on the front of a brush guard will work okay, but isn't a good coupling to the GP. So for the best performance that only leaves the roof (best performance, but not strong enough for a 1/4 wave whip), or high on the rear quarter panel. Here the sheet metal is strengthened by the bends that form the rear pillar, the window opening, long crease of the fender, and the fuel filler door. All these add up and make this location strong enough to withstand the stresses of a whip, and it will use the whole body as a GP, and it is mounted high enough so the obstruction from the roof will be minimized.

All of these locations (except the roof), are a compromises of the ground plane location, because your pattern will become very directional. However, due to the increased performance of an 8 ft antenna, your weakest direction will be nearly as good as a loaded antenna in the middle of the roof, and in it's strongest direction, you can have up to 3 times the range. This could be valuable in a situation where you can use your vehicle's directional pattern to your advantage by pointing it in the direction you are trying to transmit.

For the CB, the 8 ft stainless whip is the ultimate radiating element... bar none. The next best would be a long fiberglass, (the longer the better). Fiberglass antennas are wound, so they can have 108" (or more) of a wire in an antenna less than 108" long. However, 27 mhz is a "temperamental" frequency, and even though you might have 108" of wire in a much shorter antenna, 27 mhz will see the 108" of wire as a good match, but will just see the overall length as it's useable radiator, so it will not perform as well as a 108" SS whip. Wound fiberglass antennas are no better than their length, they are like big resistors, designed to fool the transmitter into thinking it's hooked up to a big antenna. The same applies for a 8 ft wound fiberglass that boasts as much as a 1/2 wave or even 5/8 wave of wire in an 8 ft overall whip, 27 mhz will treat it as a 1/4 wave antenna. I have performed exhaustive side by side tests with a 1/4 wave stainless steel, and all types of fiberglass antennas of varying lengths (antennas have been my hobby for many years), and the only one that equals the 8 ft stainless steel whip, is a fiberglass that is 108" long.

So here are the pros and cons of stainless steel & fiberglass. An 8 ft fiberglass antenna will stay more vertical than a stainless steel while you are driving down the road (which is good for maximum range), and not "whip" around as much as a stainless steel. However a big disadvantage of fiberglass is that it's not as flexible as stainless steel, and is much harder on the mount and mounting surface, and a fiberglass antenna can split if bent too far, and it will also shatter when it strikes an object hard enough (like a branch), ...and any antenna 8' long WILL hit something hard eventually! A stainless steel whip will not break, it will only bend, and can easily be straightened. NEVER transmit with a damaged fiberglass antenna, so If you choose to use fiberglass, ...carry a spare.

I hope I have provided you with enough information to answer the most common questions, and didn't loose you in all that. Remember, a CB can work "okay" for short distance with a less that optimum antenna, and a less that optimum placement, but like a stereo sounds only as good as its speakers, a radio will only perform as good as it's antenna.

You are sure to find lots of folks who'll tell you what a good setup for a CB is, but here's the bottom line... The best radio setup is the one that is carefully thought out, properly installed, with a SWR of less that 1.5:1, and most importantly, .....works well.

The point of all this is, a poorly installed antenna, even though very ineffective, can still work good enough for close communication like a trail ride, or a caravan on the interstate. But it is going to be worthless for anything else. In my business, lives might depend on how good a radio works, so I have to be sure that the setup is as good as it can be. On a trail ride, well, lives still may depend on how good a radio works....... so why settle for good enough?



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soonenough

Explorer
If you're concerned with the antenna getting slapped / bent by low-hanging tree branches, etc, you could try one of the Firestik FireFly antennas. I run a 4' on my truck, and it's much more flexible than the Firestik II I used to have. I've accidentally pulled in my garage and forgot it was on; it didn't damage the antenna or the mount whatsoever.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
They also sell springs you can put between the antenna and the mount. I've seen 2 types (thick & thin coils). I recommend the thin coil springs.
 

Lone Bear

New member
My option's for mounting the antenna to the truck are limited as I have my Alaskan camper on my truck 99 percent of the time. I thought about attaching it to the camper. Is there any draw backs to that idea? I tend to get into some tight spots from time to time. Last summer I clipped a branch on a tree and bent my overhead rack on the camper.
 

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soonenough

Explorer
What material is the roof of the camper made from? That will affect the ground plane of the antenna, which affects the SWR of the system. If it's fiberglass (doesn't appear to be), you might have to go with a no ground plane (NGP) antenna and coax setup.
 

silentsamurai

Explorer
Looks like your going to need a self grounding antenna mount. basically an L bracket you drill into the side of your camper and made of metal, hense the self grounded mount. then you just screw the antenna into the top and the coax into the bottom. you can get them at radio shack im pretty sure.
 

off-roader

Expedition Leader
the "expert" antenna installer made a few good points but he repeatedly claimed that an 8 foot whip is 108" long, which is incorrect. Might be a small thing or a typo but he repeats it throughout the article, if he doesn't know how many inches there are in a foot, I'd be a bit suspect about some of the other things he claims.

I don't recall what the actual wavelength is of CB but the antenna length would be a fraction of this (1/4 wave, 1/8 wave, etc.) and i suspect it's not exactly 8ft but that's what it's commonly called.:ylsmoke:

Edit.. for CB frequencies 25.67MHz-27.99MHz the 1/4 wave length is 2.68m-2.92m or 105.5"-114.9" so a 108" antenna sounds about right.
 
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Lone Bear

New member
What material is the roof of the camper made from? That will affect the ground plane of the antenna, which affects the SWR of the system. If it's fiberglass (doesn't appear to be), you might have to go with a no ground plane (NGP) antenna and coax setup.

The camper has aluminum siding with wood framing below. Also I have four vertical aluminum channels that are part of the rack.
 
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Scenic WonderRunner

Guest
Here is some 108" chatter.

http://www.copper.com/cgi-bin/discus4/show.cgi?tpc=14&post=45147


"It seems I have read somehwere recently that the whips in the earlier (1960's) days, the stainless steel whips were 108 inches long. Also the article stated that the modern day whips were reduced to 102 inches to allow for a spring which then takes it back to 108 inches.

Considering that, then would the stainless whip be a slight bit more efficient when used with a spring, considering it would be 108 inches, which is a true 1/4 wave?

Any comments?"
 

gary in ohio

Explorer
Keep in mind the big CB whips are NOT 108", Its 102", The 108" comes from
102" whip plus a 6" spring. The 108" whip/spring is the correct length for a CB.

The whip while its actually 8.5ft long is typically referred to as an 8ft whip.

Now as a CB antennas its one of the better ones iif you use the stainless steel and not the fiberglass units. I know some 4x4 trails dont allow long whips due to possible eye injuries from the whipping action and only allow 4ft and under antennas.

For Ham radio use the 102" whip is usable with a good tuner on 40-10m and will at least radiate on 80m.
 

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