Decision time: 4 Runner, 4 door Wrangler or FJC

nwoods

Expedition Leader
xcmountain80 said:
Here is a fj lightly modified not fit for a soccer mom.

Not sure why a soccer mom couldn't drive that one, other than there isn't much room in the FJ?

On a seperate topic. I thought that spotter did a good job keeping clear, keeping in the drivers line of sight, keeping control of the crowd, giving vehicle specific advice on the traction control, and communicating very effectively and calmly to the driver. I see too many bad examples on YouTube. That one was good, IMHO.
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
I agree 100% !

nwoods said:
.......snip
On a seperate topic. I thought that spotter did a good job keeping clear, keeping in the drivers line of sight, keeping control of the crowd, giving vehicle specific advice on the traction control, and communicating very effectively and calmly to the driver. I see too many bad examples on YouTube. That one was good, IMHO.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
If the majority of your requirements involve the trail (or you would love a convertible): Get the JK

If the majority of your requirements involve the road and general road performance and comfort: Get the 4Runner

This is only IMHO, but I would not consider the FJ with options like the JK and 4Runner available. The one clear advantage of the FJ is initial purchase price and healthy aftermarket support, but you can get anything of consequence for the 4Runner, and it is just so much more livable. I have said this a few times now, but the 4Runner is such an awesome machine as it does so many things well.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
Oh, and Nathan, you are correct about the LR3. If your goals are maximum trail performance and road comfort from the factory and you intend to do only minimal modifications or own it for only 4-5 years, they are really sweet. Driving one in Moab or on a moderate trail is something that just has to be experienced.
 

xcmountain80

Expedition Leader
I wasn't defending the fj only in the soccer mom arena. I wouldn't buy one because of the space issue. Heck I had to put a full length roof rack on my 4Runner for the additional space I needed. I like the jk but at a base price of 26 I just don't see it.


Aaron
 

Life_in_4Lo

Explorer
4Runner

VVTi V8 and 5spd auto from the 100Series Land Cruiser in a super practical classic wagon package with near-luxury features and premium build quality (assembled at Tahara #1 rated plant in the world)

most of the suspension mods for the FJC are applicable to the 4Runner and you have more room, comfort, luxury, features and power.

modded but is this plain jane?
DSC_4503.jpg

joel's truck from toyota120.com
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
Well I think I have only read it a couple times from you... but I love it when you say it:smiley_drive:

Your opinion of the ARB 4Runner helped me convince myself that the 4th Gen 4Runner would be a good platform to build :wings:

expeditionswest said:
snip.... I have said this a few times now, but the 4Runner is such an awesome machine as it does so many things well.
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
I had to Google KDSS

Toyota’s Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS)

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/safety/articles/106273/article.html

Formidable Technology for Four-Wheeling
Toyota also demonstrated its Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System (KDSS), which comes on the Lexus GX 470. By allowing the decoupling of the GX 470's front and rear stabilizer bars, KDSS allows greater suspension articulation (movement, that is) off-road. This was aptly demo'd on the off-road section of the Proving Grounds, where we took identical GX 470s over a severely rutted trail, one with the KDSS turned on and another with it off.

As you can see from the photos, the KDSS-assisted truck was able to keep all its tires in contact with the ground due to the greater suspension travel afforded by the system, while the one with KDSS switched off has a rear tire clawing at thin air.

Another benefit of KDSS is that it allows larger stabilizer bars for improved on-road handling via decreased body roll. So yes, sometimes you can have your cake and eat it, too.


expeditionswest said:
Seriously, I consider the 4Runner a world-class SUV. All it needs is KDSS (which is magic on the trail)
 

Bongo Boy

Observer
teotwaki said:
Why did you buy the FJC and why do you keep it?
Bought it because it was a 4WD vehicle that would offer the quiet and comfort I was looking for in a commuter vehicle, and because it's a Toyota. At the time I liked the general appearance, and thought it would be okay 'cause it doesn't look too much like a typical SUV. Spouse still likes it and so I commute in the jeep and she drives the FJ.

I would not recommend it to anyone, for any purpose, but I know quite a few folks like 'em. I would strongly suggest putting 4 people in one, then park in a normal parking space with another car in each space alongside yours--then try to get your passengers out. Have fun!
 
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Zeero

Adventurer
We tested a whole bunch of trucks for next purchases, and being professional drivers we analyzed and critiqued the living daylights out of EVERYTHING.

I've read most of the posts here about the Wrangler, and it seems the complaints that people make are unresearched. Trendy and too long.

JK's are trendy cuz they are the newest thing out there....and immediately recognizable.....next to a Police Car....the Jeep Wrangler has the MOST recognizable silhouette of any other vehicle in the world....you can literally look at the profile and say "Thats a Jeep".

Complaining that wheel base is too long on the Unlimited JK in my opinion is sheer inexperience (sorry, I don't mean to be offensive)....having the longer wheel base is in fact a HUGE bonus when offroading.....the complaint of a long wheel base usually brings the "Break over angle" complaint when asked why its a problem....a little lift and its solved.

Having a short wheel base is a problem, and that was proven three weeks ago when took a group out the trails, the guy in the TJ Sport nearly flipped over backwards going up a steep climb AND nearly rolled over sideways on a side hill.....while the longer wheelbase JK unlimiteds just cruised along without weight dispersion issues at all, and that where the longer base comes in very useful.

The storage space on and in a JK unlimited is unprecidented....and if you add a full length roof yoour looking at another 300-500 LBS of storage, who cares if it rattles....that OPTIMUM storage space....a good rack wont rattle either...Garvin, Wildboar and Gobi all make outstanding Adventure/Expedition racks for the JK.

Now, we tested the FJ Cruiser, Hummers H2 and H3, 4 runners and Land Cruisers, Libertys and Land Rover Disco 2's as well.

All were excellent EXCELLENT vehicles....but really at the end of the day they all seemed the same, and had very similar ups and downs.

Ultimately we chose the Wrangler Unlimted Rubicons....out of the box extreme capability, longer wheel base, more storage, AND more aftermarket products available than any other of the above listed vehicles...with exception to the Land Rover which equaled in aftermarket amounts....PLUS the fuel mileage on the Wrangler was BETTER than the rest....running regularly at 15-18 MPG loaded with equipment.

We do this professionaly like Scott here at Expeditions West.....we agree with him and others that Toyotas are world class offroaders and certainly worth every penny you spend on them, and they will last you lifetime without question.....but out of the box capability, storage limits, appearance and VERSATILITY led us in the direction of the Wranglers.

Another point (last one).....I read a few posts indicating "sensability" and "practicality"...I'm sorry but when you're shopping in the full-size SUV market....sensability gets thrown out the window.....you want to be sensable get a SMART car....this is offroad, this is expedtion driving, this is adventure......sensability and adventure do not combine.....theres no such thing as a sensable and practical adventure.

Even still, sensability award goes to Wrangler in our books.....best fuel mileage and versatility of the group.

Anyway....to answer the question to this post, all you will get is personal opinions from owners. Your best bet is to go out to each dealer and test drive the daylights out of each one and crawl around in each one thouroughly until you find what fits YOU ultimately.

They're all great trucks....take your time choose whats right for you, not whats right for someone else. :)
 

Ryanmb21

Expedition Leader
Great job of generalizing

I think most of the complaints about the jeep are that it's underpowered, worst on-road and loud inside. Not sure what 4runner you tested but I get 20mpg on the highway, 4 people loaded for a trip towing two wave runners and 15 gallons of gas I got 16mpg.

500lbs on the roof? and there are there are tons of situations where a short wheel base is preferable.

Obviously, you were looking for off-roadablility out of the box...b/c such a clear cut winner could not be made with any other criteria.
 

Zeero

Adventurer
The "underpowered" complaint.....ugh.

Ok, when you first get your Jeep, yes, it will feel sluggish for the first 5,000 Kms.....

Reason: The Jeeps computer is analyzing your driving habits and performing minor adjustments to timing and power distribution.

After the 5,000 km mark it wakes up.

Ours perform fantastically, no problem....besdies these aren't Pre-RUnning Baja race trucks....they are touring trucks, and with the 4.10 gears, in low range 4x4 it is simply unbeatable in technical terrain.

On road handling, is actually quite refined compared to previous generations. Its solid axle is a detriment to road performance granted, however, it does provide outstanding articulation.....and we need that for our next Expedtion into the Canadian North....and that what makes this truck good for US....maybe not you.

Yep 500 lbs. Congo Cage by Kargo Master holds up to 500 LBS....the new Gobi Ladder Rack holds up to 300 LBS....both made specifically for the Unlimited Wrangler....AND if we add the OME heavy duty JK coils to this, it gives us ANOTHER 900 LBS over the JK stock load capacity.

Yes, I am generalizing, and theres nothing wrong with that....and my experiences with the Unlimited JK are accumilated over 40,000 kms of professional driving time with this truck on a variety of expo pre-runs.....not grocery getting, thats a Hyundai Elantra for us ;)

But again it is simply opinion......my advice, go and find whats best for you.
 

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