Did I buy the wrong Truck?

IntrepidXJ

Explorer
And I wouldn't BUY an inverted-Y setup. But that's me.

Why not? Personally I prefer a crossover setup, which is what I built for my 92 XJ....but there is nothing inherently wrong with an inverted-y steering setup, either. I run the Currie setup on my 2000 and it works great for a bolt-on solution.

I tried the Rugged Ridge steering when it first came out a few years back and built a spacer to eliminate the movement of the TRE.......I was still not happy with the inverted-t steering on an XJ (which is what we are discussing in this thread...the inverted-t can work in some situations where you can get the drag link pretty flat, or even if you use a heim joing to connect the drag link to the top of the tie rod with two tabs.....but that discussion is beyond the scope of this thread).

In the end, I'd rather have a nice tight inverted-y setup over any setup that does not offer responsive steering......but might just be me :)
 
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Eric S.

Adventurer
I have a 5 1/2" lift with 33" tires and still have the stock steering. For the last 4 years it has been fine. The vibes and wobbles might not be caused by the steering design.
First you should put the front axle up on stands and make sure everything is good and tight. Check ALL the u-joints under the jeep are still in good shape. Check the condition of the control arm bushings. Take a good look at the track bar as well it there is play in it you will get some exciting rides..especially in a corner. Grab a hold of each tire and see if there is and wiggle in them side to side or top to bottom. If your wheel bearings and shot it could also cause you problems. How does the pinion angles look?
 

2drx4

Adventurer
Why not? Personally I prefer a crossover setup, which is what I built for my 92 XJ....but there is nothing inherently wrong with an inverted-y steering setup, either. I run the Currie setup on my 2000 and it works great for a bolt-on solution.


I don't like how it changes toe with droop/compression and flex. I don't think it's really an actual problem for most users, but it was pretty bad on my MJ. However, I really needed hi-steer (or at least OTK) and a dropped pitman (and the associated jazz) as I had 6.5" of lift. So, really, I'd rather go cross-over and be done with it. Which is exactly what I intend to do this time around.

(I'm a little out of the world of bolt-ons. Nothing just bolts on for me for some reason)
 

shogun

Adventurer
This is doable.

I run an XJ pretty hard on road. Rural roads 65-75, I-10 at 75-85, all day long, solid. 3-4", 32s.

Keep in mind the shin bone is connected to the leg bone. Any mod will affect several other items, so careful consideration as to what exactly you are trying to accomplish vs. bubba bling.

I didnt cheap out on suspension or brakes. Stage 2 body stiffeners, bilsteins, new leafs (one additional). This things runs rings around cars on Old Spanish Trail.

If you need a good, reasonable local shop let me know.
 

The Swiss

Expedition Leader
good this is the stuff I was looking for. I was begining to think these things were trail rigs that were out of there element on road. I guess a Currie steering kit is in my future. I am currently running RR kit. The stock was blown out when I bought the jeep. Now the RR kit has blown a boot already at around 3K miles. As for the pinion angles I guess I need to make sure they are correct. Right now the jeep has no driveshafts in it and awaits a SYE.

I hope I can get it dialed in. Sounds like most of you have been successful so I will be here looking for advice. NAXJA,is full of "I told you so" Rock crawlers so I tend to seaerch there and post very little.

Thanks for the advice.
"Stock steering was blown out"? RR kit has a blown boot?" Something sounds not right. What steering component was "blown" on your stock steering. I am sorry if I state the obvious, but you first have to analyze your problem analytically component by component before you just through more money at it. I mean it is your money, but that is what I would do. Is it possible that this vehicle was in a front end crash before you bought it? Look for bent components or other signs. Look for play in every single joints, the steering box. Look for loose nuts and bolts (I'm not kidding). How is the wear pattern of your tires? Are the tires properly balanced? Check if your steering stabilizer is worn.

As stated before: The XJ is a great platform and a 2000 with 34 kml should be jewel :D
 

FlexdXJ

Adventurer
I am sorry about the speeling I just type and post I will proof read a little better. I have been to NAXJA.com and used them as a resource. Problem is some of those guys are just happy that no parts fall off when on road, not my idea of a good ride. Steering was aligned but maybe it has gone bad again? I am not asking anything extream out of it typical stuff, 3" lift 31" tires. I want to be able to curise on the freeway at 80. And do mild trails. I am just unsure if this thing will ever be able to to this with out being a pain in the MMM on Road.

HAHAHAHA! Hey i like when my jeep makes it out without scratches(and i'm a NAXJA guy)! There are a ton of guys on there who know suspension very well. If i remember correct you switched to an OME lift? Which is supposed to be a great ride. It sounds like you have something loose under there. Is your front swaybar attached? I have a set of OME coils(not installed) and will be switching to OME packs when money permits and hell i'll probably get their shocks too. I'm in search of that great ride(at least on this one) as it is my DD. I am getting an older 2 door soon so it will be the one riding like a battle tank.
 

GTABurnout

Explorer
Well as of now both drive shafts are out of the truck as I wait for my SYE. I am currently running one home made washer in the front end, I will be putting in one more. The truck appears to be accident free everything looks good underneath. I have just been having lots of troubles with it and had a thought that maybe none of them work well on road and off. I can see I was wrong in this thought. Now that I have heard from people who have made them work right I will continue the mods with the hope that I will have a reliable and capable rig when all is said and done...


Thanks for the help guys.
 

xr8dxj

Adventurer
I have two XJ's: a '97 with a 9" bastard lift over 37's and a '98 with a 2" lift over 31's. Obviously the '97 has a SYE, '98 is stock; the '97 has front & rear sway bars removed, and the '98 has them both in. Both are daily drivers, both drive fine, both get alignments the day I lift or re-lift it.
 

mac

New member
I'm running my 97XJ (SYE) with 4.5" lift and 31's. It's my daily driver, and still running stock 307's (pending 411 install) gearing.

I did notice going from stock to my 1st lift of 3" on 30's the road manners went down a little bit. However I knew this from my old XJ.

My current setup 4.5 w/31"s running down the road vibe free, and it takes the highway very well. I'm only running front sway bars but for better manners I would suggest running some type of rear sway bars. (asking to get flamed by hardcore rock guys here..lol) My 97 did not have a rear sway bar, but I would like to add one to give it better road feel.

Keep it, work the kinks out of it and it will do everything you want it to and then some.

mac
 

4Rescue

Expedition Leader
Well as of now both drive shafts are out of the truck as I wait for my SYE. I am currently running one home made washer in the front end, I will be putting in one more. The truck appears to be accident free everything looks good underneath. I have just been having lots of troubles with it and had a thought that maybe none of them work well on road and off. I can see I was wrong in this thought. Now that I have heard from people who have made them work right I will continue the mods with the hope that I will have a reliable and capable rig when all is said and done...

Thanks for the help guys.

Sorry you're having so much trouble, but I think once you get it all sorted you'll LOVE the OME suspension and will truly enjoy your truck. The problem with Vibrations is that there's too many places that they can originate from and really it's hard to pin tehm down when you can't inspect them rolling down the road at 80 mph ;)

First off: Are your tires balanced well? I know it's a stupid question but it's a sim[ple thing that get's overlooked quite alot. The SYE should be done on even stock trucks IMO so you're on the right path there. D-shaft imballances can be really hard to diagnose sometimes because there's kind of a "frequency" to them, meaning that they're RPM/Speed specific and sometimes won't really rear their ugly heads untill JUST the right speed.

Steering: Well, as others have said, avoid the RR and others "Inv-T" set-ups. Imo they're completely the wrong idea and require more modifying then should have to be done for something that's being sold to consumers. The Typical Y steering isn't bad, but being SFA you need to be real careful to keep your track bar in line with your Tie-Rod to avoid bump-steer that could to some degree feel like like a vibration depending on where/how you're driving. My personal fav. is to run cross-over steering. On a SFA it's just the best steering you can run IMO.

As far it being wreck free, don't be so sure. my Dad's current 98 XJ looks imaculate but when you really start to add it all up it's like ly that it's been in some sort of wreck. They're uni-body so if they HAVE been damaged they're really ahrd to get everything back in line. Add to that the fact that even a slight warp/mis-alignment in the tub will cause all sorts of woes from Doors not closing to various other annoying things... Dad's has this anoying "tamborine" effect in the front axle and it feels as though the front control arms are loose from time to time. Crawling under the truck and even replacing all of the bushings/control arms did nothing. And the Rattles!!!! Oh god how I hated my XJ's after a few years as a trail rig, it was like I was driving a jar of penny's.

The end of it is: They're Cherokee's... they rattle, shake and in general just aren't that rock solid. Great platform for a Trail truck, just not that durable... yes I've owned a few ;)

Cheers

Dave
 

SixLug

Explorer
:violent-smiley-031: BACK I SAY!!!! GET BACK YOU TOYOTA VIXEN!!!

















JK. ha. I had a 93 4Runner and loved it, but I love the XJ too...a little better Id have to say.
 

GTABurnout

Explorer
Truck has been problem free since the SYE. I still need to put in the real rear drive shaft so I can move the front shaft back to the front.

I have a teraflex track bar that has been adjusted to fit the lift.

Problems are going away. I am begining to actually like this damn thing.
 

bigreen505

Expedition Leader
Out of curiosity did you get a carfax report on the truck before you bought it? Any idea about the history of the truck? I would start by taking it to a good shop that specializes in 4x4 drivetrain and alignments and asking if anything looks out of order.
 

expoxj

Adventurer
Truck has been problem free since the SYE. I still need to put in the real rear drive shaft so I can move the front shaft back to the front.

I have a teraflex track bar that has been adjusted to fit the lift.

Problems are going away. I am begining to actually like this damn thing.

I'd just get another front driveshaft. Ironrockoffroad sells a sye kit with a front driveshaft. If you click the link you can choose to just get a refurbished front shaft for $99.
 

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