educate me please 4dr jk

[jingram]

:bowdown: JEEP--WRANGLER (JK) "UNLIMITED" (4dr) RUBICON
--4.10 DIFF- GEARS -AUTO XMISSION--BFG KMs-255X75r-17 tires--WHEELS
ProComp Xtreme alloy Mod #8089-7378 17x8


Hows that ???

:sombrero: :safari-rig: :safari-rig: JIMBO

LOL... much better! So you are pulling that kind of mileage out of it eh? I keep reading horror stories about guys in the 12-15 range tops.

 

[The Swiss]

LOL... much better! So you are pulling that kind of mileage out of it eh? I keep reading horror stories about guys in the 12-15 range tops.

Larger tires without re-gearing, heavy add-ons (winches, heavy-duty bumpers, bull bars) and aerodynamic improvements like roof racks will do this to any vehicle.

 

[JIMBO]

:sombrero: You guys know that we're in the JEEP 35" tire/4" lift/ social revolution

Nobody with any MALL experience, dares to drive a (perish the word ) "STOCK" JEEP, THOSE, WERE ONLY FOR MAKING, WW11 MOVIES

So 35" tires/regear to 4.88 diffs--Winch--swingout tirecarrier--2/ 5gal gas cans--HiLift Jack--6-spd standard xmission=12 mpg, it's a given

:smileeek: :smileeek: :safari-rig: :safari-rig: JIMBO

 

[Zeero]

Hey, as far as I'm concerned, getting an "X" and upgrading to the same spec as a Rubicon is the same as these guys buying a V6 Mustang, tagging the 5.0 tag on the side and putting in a fake dual exhaust....big time poser.

I ******t you not, I have seen a local "X" cruising around with "Rubicon" tags on the hood sides.....stock X tires, X stickers on the sides.....total poser.

If your deal is trail riding and expedition driving.....get the Rubicon and don't pose out. You'll thank me later when you dont have to go through expensive and lengthy installs of Rubicon spec equipment and ordering and paying for shipping on the parts and hauling the parts around to get them installed.....I say the extra money spent on the Rubicon package is worth saving the headaches and time put into to the whole manual "upgrade" process.....you'll get out there with the Rubi and say "Wow, boy am I glad I dont have to modify anything crucial under the hood and chasis....its already here!"

You just go and buy it....pick it up...and TADA!!! Its ready to go.....no wasted time....no fussing over shipping and "should I get this part or that part"....you just...GO....done.....and best of all, NO POSING!!

If your hitting the mall and the office parking lot full-time....stick with an X and for a little BLING get the Sahara.

 

[jingram]

Yeah, yeah... I'm area jacking a damn jeep upto the sky and throwing heavy 35-37" tires on it is going to kill mileage. I have also read that guys have been pulling really poor mileage in bone stock rubis, saharas, etc. So, you guys, specifically those in stock rubis (or at least stock 32") tire sizes with minimal to no lift are pulling decent mpg?

 

[elias]

Yeah, yeah... I'm area jacking a damn jeep upto the sky and throwing heavy 35-37" tires on it is going to kill mileage. I have also read that guys have been pulling really poor mileage in bone stock rubis, saharas, etc. So, you guys, specifically those in stock rubis (or at least stock 32") tire sizes with minimal to no lift are pulling decent mpg?

My rubicon is currently stock with the 32" tires. If I drive 60 I get 22 mpg. If I drive 65 mph, I get 20 mpg. If I drive 75, I get 18 mpg. It's decent. My Defender 110 got 13 mpg. I prefer 20.

 

[nwoods]

Personally I have never seen a broken axel or axel housing in person. But I have seen a few pics on the forums and all of them were Rubicans, In my opinon if you stay 33 and smaller on the tires you don't need the 44 in the front. Lookers are nice but ask Gear he almost never turns them on untill he gets in the really nasty stuff. And a lot of time I have followed him with only LSD in the rear. The 4.11 gears that come with the Rubican will not cut it with 33s no matter what direction you go you will want 4.88 or 5.13s. I have 4.11 in my 07 X 2dr and no way is it getting the job done. And I don't pull a trailer. If you think you need a 44 in front buy a new rubican front axel for ~1800 and save yourself some $$ by installing it yourself.
An X was built for what you want to do.
A Rubican was built,,, for the Rubican,

I'm not sure I agree with 1Leg here on the gearing issue, but maybe its the difference in the new motor used in the JK that makes regearing so mandatory? I have a 2005 Rubicon Unlimited (the two door LJ body style) and it has a 4.5" lift, 35" tires, and the stock 4:10 gearing. It's not a speed demon, but drives fairly well, and certainly handles high freeway speeds quite adequately (regularly 75-80ish). It has been wheeled extensively and almost 100% exclusively, and the gearing has proven not been an issue.

I have been with many other Jeeps now over the past year and have seen as many as a dozen Dana 30 and 35's snap an axle on mild obstacles WITHOUT the typical "mash the throttle" provocation one would expect, typically with 33" tires.

Regarding the new JK, I have rented a 2 door X (once) and the 2 door Rubicon in Moab (three times), and they are running completely stock, on the 32" Goodyear MTR tires, and they did awesome. I don't think an X could do the same as easily. The lockers are such a tremendous aide and are much better for the preservation of the trail also.

Here is the X, stuck, even with traction control (the hill is steeper than it looks):

Stuck again, only slightly cross axled, but one wheel in the air and unlocked.

Various Moab shots in the stock Rubi:

As for lifts, the new JK can accommodate massive tires with a minor 2.5" lift. Case in point (37" military tires):

One thing to watch out for with the JK's, is a weak weld for the steering tierod to the axle housing. I have seen several of these break. Here is one being field welded on a JK 2 door with 33" AT tires:

 

[Hilldweller]

If your hitting the mall and the office parking lot full-time....stick with an X and for a little BLING get the Sahara.

Oooooooooo; that stings, baby....

My Sahara is 8 months old, over 23,000 miles, open diffs, no lift, no lsd --- only slightly larger tires and a regear to 4.56. It's been through the Rockies from Colorado to Jasper, Tellico, and all the snotty fs roads around here and has never gotten stuck. I thought it was humorous at Tellico when a guy with a built CJ5 looked at my Sahara and said, "you'll never make it through here with that..." --- it was the look on his face later when I passed him on trail 6 that was classic.
$23,500 out the door before the prices started dropping....
Yes; the extra money I saved bought a nice trailer for the wife and I.

Just sayin', you don't have to drop a fortune; any JK will do amazing things with the right tires.

 

[datrupr]

Why not just go with the Rubi? For what you are doing a stock Rubi will do it all and then some. If you want to save a cash for the trip then don't put bigger tires on it. Leave it stock. It is by far the BEST out of the box rig you can get. JMO.

 

[Root Moose]

So we are talking about $10k?

You'd be nuts to not go with a Rubicon if that is the set of equipment you want.

For sh!ts and giggles total up the parts difference. Then multiply by 2.0 or 2.2 to account for labour to get it under the Jeep if you aren't able to do it yourself.

That'll be more than $10k I'm sure.

I could do the work myself... and I'd still rather not and buy the Jeep from the factory already done.

Just something to think about.

 

[Scott Brady]

Well, I would certainly not fault anyone for getting an X or Sahara. Many folks come into vehicle-based adventuring and buy whatever looks good on the lot, before they understand all of the dynamics of OHV travel. I have been through that evolution myself, starting with a 2wd Isuzu Amigo. That would probably be the last on most people's lists, but I traveled extensively with it, and learned quite a bit about traction (it had none) and momentum, line selection, etc.

The point of my post is just that if you are facing a purchase of a new vehicle, the benefit of feedback on a forum like this is learning from others experience and knowledge. Short of the 10k cost savings, there are no benefits of buying the X. However, 10K is a lot of money too, and could be used for a lot of fuel and other gear. One could just as easily travel around the world in an X as a Rubicon.

Someone who buys an X is certainly not a poseur IMO. In reality, the poseurs are people that are trying to look a certain way, or have a truck all dolled up to travel around the world, and the only dirt and "international" travel it sees it the overflow dirt parking lot at the local Mexican restaurant.

Drive what you got, but at least drive it somewhere

Something to think about...

 

[Zeero]

Oooooooooo; that stings, baby....

ROFSheriffHL:

Hey just telling like it is....BUT....if your using it for what it was designed then all the power to ya....some people like painted fender flares and nice trim on the inside..... Haha.

Its a little too often I see these things sitting in mall lot with alot of chromo-sexual add-ons.....all for show, and nothing else.....its just a foreign concept to me.

So, Hill Dweller, if your using it, then ...... cool! :victory:

But I still say if yoour primary purpose is expeditioning and and exploring, then the Rubi is your best bet.

 

[nwoods]

Bill, that's an interesting looking trailer. What is it?

 

[Hilldweller]

....some people like painted fender flares and nice trim on the inside..... Haha.

Infinity sound system was for me (blush), YESessentials seats, painted fenders, & side steps for the little lady --- I don't like to travel stag...

Bill, that's an interesting looking trailer. What is it?

Conqueror Compact; perfect compliment to a Jeep (Sahara, Rubi, or X), Landy, Taco, etc. Lots of room for stuff; enough comfort to keep the complaints at the minimum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIZkH1XBFBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALxGLVJY0QE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ru8OSylEHg

http://www.conquerorcampers.com/compact.html

 

[LIVEABOARD]

Wow

This sure is turning out to be a touchy subject (enjoying) there r sure lots of pluses+ minus's- between what is capable and what is not leaning toward rubi and just doing bumpers - winch roof top tent prob best strongest long lasting warrarnty way 2 go what do u think