Gen 1 Vs Gen 2

[off-roader]

Okay so my next question is what exactly is a "bouncy" seat, I mean I have watched off road shows and they put in a seat with webbing under the foam to make it float more when off road, or are they like seats in a semi, or are they made out of a bouncy house? lol

Bouncy seat is a suspension seat base that uses an actual shock suspension in the base to help soak up bumps off road. They're especially nice because they can be dialed in from plush to rough. You simply turn a knob to a setting based on your weight. You can then 'fine tune it' depending on your comfort preference.

Alternatives are also available from several aftermarket vendors offering suspension seats (mounted to the stock base) like you describe with webbing that absorbs the shock instead of the seat base itself. I like the seat base instead because it's Mitsu OEM alternative and you have the nice looking OE seats that match the rest of the interior instead of typically black aftermarket seats.

 

[GrassCat]

Of the gen 2s, I prefer the gen 2 over the 2.5 simply because the gen 2.5 has a 4.2x:1 gear ratio, slightly smaller front axles (weaker?)

The axles are bigger than the Gen 1's, how many of them have you seen break?

 

[off-roader]

For broken front axles IIRC (you know my memory's far from perfect but here this goes... )

Lloyd's Gen 1 v6 on the Rubicon & Carlos' Gen 2 SR up at Cow Mountain.

Gen 2.5's? None so far in person but then again I haven't seen too many of them being used for the rocks with the exception of Toasty's in AZ. Of course there's also Montero Rider who's said he's broken a couple of front axles http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...-Spares-2nd-Gen-Montero?highlight=broken+axle

 

[Mudrunner]

MMM those seats sound sexy, I think no matter what gen I get I am getting those seats!!!!

 

[off-roader]

Cost for a used Gen 1 unit at your local yard ranges from $25-$75 or so. Don't recall what the gen II's cost.

 

[Mudrunner]

On the Carb with the 4 cyl how tough are they really, I mean the hardest carb I have ever dealt with is an old Rochester Qudra-Jet. but I don't know beyond that. Also did Mitsu ever make a EFI for that same 2.6L?

Edit: So I did some looking and yes they did make a EFI out of that same engine it came in the Starion/Conquest models up till 89 and to boot it was Turbo...:drool:

 

[off-roader]

It's a rats nest of vacuum lines and by far the toughest part of owning and maintaining this model and the number 1 complaint from owners. Download the FSM for the early model montero's (mitsubishilinks.com) and check for yourself.

yes they made an EFI unit but IIRC it's part of the turbo version built for Starion/Conquests of that era. These motors can be swapped in but that's not a minor upgrade by any stretch. Heck who am I kidding it's a Major job regardless of who you are. You'll need to swap the motor, ecu and splice in the wiring harness or create one from scratch.

I haven't done one nor even witnessed one being done so the best advice I can give is to check out the various build threads on doing this upgrade on 4x4wire's mitsu forums. I don't believe anyone has ever documented the process here.

If you want a major project, then a 2.6 turbo swap would count as one as would a 4.3 chevy swap into a 2.6L montero (both documented ad nauseum on 4x4wire)

 

[Mudrunner]

The carb doesn't look too bad, but to be fair I did spend 6 years between high school and college in automotive technoliges, so not much intimadtaes me either. Other than spelling lol

 

[off-roader]

In that case you may enjoy working on one and can elaborate on the finer aspects of tuning one for other owners who are not as lucky in that respect. I should warn you though that most of the stories I've heard have been of mechanics end up messing them up even worse than the originally were. But then again you usually only hear the sensational stuff online just like the news.

FWIW, here's a series of diagrams of the feedback system in the carb...
Page 1: http://donhuysmans.ca/vachose1.html
Page 2: http://donhuysmans.ca/vachose2.html
Page 3: http://donhuysmans.ca/vachose3.html
Page 4: http://donhuysmans.ca/vachose4.html
Note these diagrams are not for the high altitude or Cali emission complaint models.

 

[Mudrunner]

Wow that is a lot of suck-age, but it would be interesting to work one, I might have to get one just for fun. and yes I do enjoy causing myself misery when working on cars. totally serious about that last part, I used to work on my cars in December in the rain back in Oregon no garage or anything. Also I would like to say that if I came of high and mighty about the experience I do know you guys here have way more than me with these rides and also off road tech, since all my knowledge is in cars and basic stuff like that.

 

[Jrally]

If you get one and mess the carb up too much, there is always the Weber carb kit to replace it with. The fuel injection for the turbo was basic, throttle body injection, not port injection. I've converted a car from carb to EFI using MegaSquirt, it wasn't that bad, even went against the norm, I never owned the engine while it ran on a carb. Meaning I got it running and tuned with MegaSquirt, for the entire time I owned it.

-Jon

 

[off-roader]

My understanding is the downside to any carb are large altitude changes or steep angles. Just something to check and if accurate, ensure it won't affect your wheeling intensions.

 

[Mudrunner]

You are correct sir! those are going to be the challenges and limitations of any carb. To thin of air need to run a little leaner and then steep inclines an such the floats get stuck in the up position and won't get more fuel when you need it.

 

[rxinhed]

Until the headgasket blew in my Raider, I didn't have any trouble with the Mikuni carb, driving sealevel (25' MSL in Sacramento) to alpine (better than 10K' in mountains south of Lake Tahoe) in any given day in the way back.

 

[off-roader]

Russle, based on the many others asking for more power from the 2.6l, I think you may be the exception to the rule.