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paulj

Expedition Leader
And lookee who sucked away 21 of them in short order...... must have been some sort of contest smiley----> :drool:

about half of those were after the November 2000 election, and half of those right at the last minute.

Escalante was his first; it was also the first BLM monument, opening the way, so to speak for the others.

Here's a rather lengthy essay on the history of the Grand Staircase area. Page 3 deals with a coal mine that was proposed, and page 4 the monument creation (including a quote from the Proclamation regarding School Trust lands).
http://www.cpluhna.nau.edu/Places/gsenm1.htm
The Wiki article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalante_National_Monument
gives more details on the Trust lands exchange
There are contentious issues peculiar to the state of Utah. Certain plots of land were assigned when Utah became a state (in 1896) as School and Institutional Trust Lands (SITLa, a Utah state agency), to be managed to produce funds for the state school system. These lands included scattered plots in the Monument that, critics claimed, could no longer be developed for the sake of Utah's school children. The SITLa plots within the Monument were exchanged for federal lands elsewhere in Utah, plus equivalent mineral rights and $13 million dollars cash by an act of Congress,
I wrote in another post that the SITLA has received revenue from coal mining on the plots that they got in this exchange (in the Bookcliffs area north of the Swell).
 

teotwaki

Excelsior!
about half of those were after the November 2000 election, and half of those right at the last minute. ..........snip

Emphasizing that it is pure backroom politics and once again denies the proper involvement of The People in the process.
 

Wonderland

Explorer
From AMA

Congress reacts with outrage to administration plan to take public lands without public debate

PICKERINGTON, Ohio -- Bipartisan reaction was swift following the publication by the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) and others of an internal Department of Interior (DOI) document that revealed the agency's plan to designate without public debate as many as 13 million acres of public and private land in the West as National Monument areas.

According to DOI documents obtained by the AMA, the administration is considering new National Monument designations totaling 13 million acres in 11 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wyoming.

"The Obama administration continues to put the needs of environmentalists who want to keep the public away from public lands above the needs and desires of Utahns," Sen. Robert Bennett (R-Utah) said.

Rep. Doc Hastings (R-Wash.), ranking member of the U.S. House Natural Resources Committee, echoed Bennett's thoughts that the administration is bowing to anti-access groups.

"There are special interest groups whose sole purpose is to lock up land without any consideration given to the importance of wholesome outside family recreation," Hastings said. "While they are entitled to that view, it's deeply troubling that the President's administration is seemingly eager to help turn that view into reality by unilaterally imposing new monument designations without the consent of the people and communities who will be directly impacted."

Rep. Rob Bishop (R-Utah), chairman of the Congressional Western Caucus, and ranking member of the Natural Resources Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands, noted that people from around the world visit the West to take advantage of broad-ranging recreational opportunities.

"Unfortunately, the current administration seems intent upon locking up much of the public lands throughout the West from recreational use, as witnessed in the documents that recently surfaced from the Department of Interior outlining new areas for potential national monument designations," Bishop said. "I commend the American Motorcyclist Association for its continued advocacy on behalf of not only motorcycle enthusiasts but all outdoor recreators, who are an important component of the West's tourism industry."

Interior Department spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff told the Salt Lake (Utah) Tribune that the documents that created the uproar were simply the result of a "brainstorming session" at the department.

But Rep. Jim Matheson (D-Utah) remained concerned: "Given the lingering frustration felt by many Utahns following the 1996 'stroke of the pen' monument designation (of the Clinton administration's 1.9 million-acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument), it is totally inappropriate for this federal agency to even have preliminary discussions without involving the stakeholders on the ground."

"It remains incumbent upon the government to responsibly protect our lands for the people, not from the people," said Ed Moreland, AMA vice president for government relations. "And that means proposals for land-use designations must be fairly debated. This proposal is not only an end-run around Congress, but also around the individuals and communities who would be directly impacted by this type of administrative maneuver.

"We are pleased to hear that there is bipartisan, bi-cameral support for an open dialogue on the long-contentious issue of public-land designations," Moreland said. "We hope that this issue will serve as a catalyst for bringing together both sides of the debate to work out any differences and preserve opportunities for responsible recreation on America's public lands for all Americans."

To take action on this issue, go to AmericanMotorcyclist.com > Rights > Issues and Legislation. To receive e-mail alerts, sign up in the "Get Involved" section of the Rights page.

About the American Motorcyclist Association
Since 1924, the AMA has protected the future of motorcycling and promoted the motorcycle lifestyle. AMA members come from all walks of life, and they navigate many different routes on their journey to the same destination: freedom on two wheels. As the world's largest motorcycling rights organization, the AMA advocates for motorcyclists' interests in the halls of local, state and federal government, the committees of international governing organizations, and the court of public opinion. Through member clubs, promoters and partners, the AMA sanctions more motorsports competition and motorcycle recreational events than any other organization in the world. AMA members receive money-saving discounts from dozens of well-known suppliers of motorcycle services, gear and apparel, bike rental, transport, hotel stays and more. Through its Motorcycle Hall of Fame Museum, the AMA preserves the heritage of motorcycling for future generations.
 

teotwaki

Excelsior!
I love the mantra: "It was only a brainstorming session!"

As if overlanders, motorcyclists and ATV'ers are not allowed to brainstorm? Does anyone have a list of exactly who was allowed to brainstorm in secret with them????
 

cruiseroutfit

Supporting Sponsor: Cruiser Outfitters
Our politicians are up in arms about it. I attended a rally at our states capitol with a couple hundred Utah'ns to voice our concerns about another 'swift' monument proposal.
 

Dave Bennett

Adventurist
You couldn't be more correct. Fox News will never be blamed for keeping anyone informed :)

Nor will any of the others.

They're all biased in one direction or the other... my prediction is that the "big news" channels demise will be similar to what we see happening with printed newspapers and news magazines - dwindling subscribership leading to extinction as people continue to get real news elswhere.
 

paulj

Expedition Leader
Local newspapers (including the Congressional gossip rag, The Hill) are a better source of information on this sort of thing than national news organizations. Has Fox, for example, followed up their initial story? Utah papers reported on assurances that the Utah governor got from the DOI Secretary. SLC Tribune had an article about Sen Bennett's attempts at getting some sort of ban on presidential monument designations in Utah (though on attempt by as SC Congressman has already failed). The Tribute also mentioned that Bennett is crafting a Wilderness bill for San Juan Cty, modeled on the one he pushed through for Washington Cty. The San Juan cty newspaper has a fuller account

http://www.sjrnews.com/pages/full_story/full_story?content_instance_id=6450758

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_14450119

Despite his opposition to new monuments, Sen Bennett promotes the existing Parks and Monuments on his official web site.
http://bennett.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=NationalParks
 

roadkill

Adventurer
this came in a BRC email yesterday
NATIONAL:
Connecting the dots...
Something positively cryptic came across our newsfeed today. It's from the AP, but I don't know if it's a story or an announcement or what it is. Its really short, so I'll just quote it here:

Feds to study notable public lands across West
http://alturl.com/geoj
"The federal Bureau of Land Management - signaling what conservation groups call a big change from the Bush administration - plans to conduct sweeping ecological assessments of public lands across the West.
The BLM says it will study the Colorado Plateau, southern California's Mojave desert and Nevada's central Great Basin desert. It announced Monday it would use the studies to decide how to make use of the public lands.
Heidi McIntosh of the Southern Utah Wilderness Association says the Obama administration's concerns over climate change are driving the studies. McIntosh says the Bush administration took few of these considerations into account when it adopted long-term management plans for public lands in Utah and other states in late 2008."

We waited for a while before blasting the Recreation News today because we wanted to find out what the heck this is all about. We couldn't find anything about this on BLM's website, and it's not in any of BLM's media releases. As of this writing, BLM has not returned our calls.
That leaves us to speculate, which is always fun, except in this case there just isn't much info to speculate on.
I do think it's interesting that the story quotes Heidi McIntosh of SUWA. Those of you keeping score at home will remember that SUWA sued the Utah BLM on its new management plans, and among the many claims was the plans didn't consider global warming. The areas mentioned in the mysteriously mysterious "story" from the AP seem also to dovetail with some of the areas mentioned in the Obama administration's secret Monument memo.
 

paulj

Expedition Leader
SUWA's press release on the monuments
http://www.suwa.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=7925&news_iv_ctrl=1162
For example, over the last year in Emery County (which encompasses most of the San Rafael Swell), we have been meeting and taking field trips with county officials and other stakeholders, resulting in productive discussions about potential wilderness legislation. If conservationists and county officials can reach an agreement over wilderness designation, we believe those lands would be taken out of consideration for national monument designation. Officials in San Juan County, where Cedar Mesa lies, have also indicated an interest in developing wilderness legislation.

As to changes in how DOI (and BLM) evaluate the use of lands, that has already been seen in the reevaluation of oil and gas leases that were made at the end of the Bush administration. Stink had been raised about leases within eyesight of parks like Arches.
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_13515553
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_14133963

http://www.doi.gov/news/doinews/BLM_energy_reform.cfm
More information on potential priorities changes in the 2011 budget proposal for the BLM
http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/newsroom/2010/february/NR_02_01_2009.html
 

paulj

Expedition Leader
An LATimes story about attempts in the Utah legislature to seize federal land to promote development.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-utah-domain3-2010mar03,0,841750.story
The state wants to develop three hotly contested areas -- national forest land in the Wasatch Mountains north of Salt Lake City, land in a proposed wilderness area in the red rock southwestern corner of the state, and a stretch of desert outside of Arches National Park that the Obama administration has declared off-limits to oil and gas development.
A SL Tribune article about tensions between federal and county law enforcement in Kanab County
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_14492982
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_14500071
 

paulj

Expedition Leader
An opinion piece form High Country News about the 'trouble with monuments'

http://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/trouble-with-monuments

Sounds like some of the opinions expressed here - the low of solitude for the intrepid explorer who can find his own way in to secret beauty spots.

Most of the noise today is coming from Utah. That's hardly surprising; the Grand Staircase designation left a good portion of the state fuming, and many southern Utahns continue to harbor bad feelings. Two more big swaths of Utah – Cedar Mesa in the southeast, and San Rafael Swell in the south-central part of the state – are on the draft national monument list. The parcels in question are already federal land, and parts of Cedar Mesa already lie within the Grand Gulch primitive area and Natural Bridges National Monument. So to treat this as some sort of "grab" by the feds may seem strange; but then, southern Utahns do have a, er, different relationship to BLM land. Namely, a fair number of them think it's theirs, sometimes for the wrecking (most notably when it comes to riding OHVs roughshod over the landscape, or looting ancient cultural sites).

' a, er, different relationship to BLM land.' ??

Talking about Grand Staircase after the designation:
The unpeopled place I remembered had vanished. We had to fight for spots in campgrounds. The trails were crowded. ... Instead of grumpy ranchers, there are now grumpy newcomers who, at the end of tourist season, are tired of trying to be nice to busloads of people who speak only French and smoke like chimneys at every stop.
So, it's no wonder people get riled up when they hear rumors of another national monument designation. They’ve got a lot to lose. ...
 

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