J8 "Sarge" Jeep on sale everywhere but here!

[Nullifier]

It continues to amaze me that nobody will release a small diesel utility vehicle when they would not even need to put that much extra work in to it. You would think someone would catch on to the fact that diesel swaps are huge right now and people will pay money for it.

Maybe we should get everyone together for a class action lawsuit against all auto manufactureres in the U.S. for deliberately keeping us in gas vehicles or impractical hybrid vehicles while suppllying the rest of the world with a wide selection of durable and efficient diesel powered vehicles. After all they do seem to descriminate against the U.S. market right?!

 

[durango_60]

It would probably be more effective to actually purchase the offerings that are out there so they would see the market demand. I'm driving my Dads Grand Cherokee Diesel today and it is quite a pleasure, throw on a 2" lift and some 32"s and I think it would make a great overlanding rig.

 

[SeaRubi]

It would probably be more effective to actually purchase the offerings that are out there so they would see the market demand. I'm driving my Dads Grand Cherokee Diesel today and it is quite a pleasure, throw on a 2" lift and some 32"s and I think it would make a great overlanding rig.

you can say that again - but it's too bad they are north of 35k even in standard trim with cloth seats! It was sad to see the diesel liberty get killed off without sourcing a different motor for it. The one I took for a test spin drove like a little Sherman tank that could scoot along pretty well. Gobs of torque.

 

[gjackson]

So why would it be dificult to bring the car here? the Answer? Beuracracy.

According to an import lawyer I talked to, the real reason is the special interest power of the big 3. They don't want you buying euro cars, so their lobbyists have made sure that rules are in place to make it difficult to import.

cheers

 

[boblynch]

According to an import lawyer I talked to, the real reason is the special interest power of the big 3. They don't want you buying euro cars, so their lobbyists have made sure that rules are in place to make it difficult to import.

Isn't Jeep part of the so-called big 3? Jeep has a plant in the Detroit/Toledo area that could easily make the J8. Instead they have acres and acres of gas powered stuff no one wants. Someone tell me why they deserve tax payer subsidized loans for another bailout?

 

[grahamfitter]

According to an import lawyer I talked to, the real reason is the special interest power of the big 3. They don't want you buying euro cars, so their lobbyists have made sure that rules are in place to make it difficult to import.

cheers

To add insult to injury, a substantial number of diesel, small, economical, etc. cars sold in Europe are manufactured there by Ford and GM. At the same time, the European segments of those companies are making money and the US segment is losing it.

Cheers,
Graham (the other one)

 

[Atticus_1354]

Maybe we should get everyone together for a class action lawsuit against all auto manufactureres in the U.S. for deliberately keeping us in gas vehicles or impractical hybrid vehicles while suppllying the rest of the world with a wide selection of durable and efficient diesel powered vehicles. After all they do seem to descriminate against the U.S. market right?!

If I thought that had a snowballs chance in hell I would jump right on it. Sadly it just seems that to many of americas producers and consumers have their heads stuffed where the sun don't shine. I always feel like strangling someone when I bring up my desire for a small diesel and they start in on how diesels are loud, smell bad and pollute so much more than their suv.

 

[4Rescue]

According to an import lawyer I talked to, the real reason is the special interest power of the big 3. They don't want you buying euro cars, so their lobbyists have made sure that rules are in place to make it difficult to import.

cheers

Yup... That's been the speculated reason that rigs like the Euro COY Fiat Panda have never seen our shores.

I love how we don't have a diesel option so when we don't buy what they don't offer it translates to "no intrest" in diesel trucks. that seems like a self fullfiling prophecy to me don't it :smilies27 Aside form a Few Dodges and Jeeps, there is nothing that the Big 3 Makes that is worth a single penny to me...

And thern we get into the question of why an unrefined fuel costs more at the pump than say highly refined Premium petrol...

I'm starting to really resent my own country, and I definately have no warmth in my heart for the powers that be...

Cheers

Dave

 

[4Rescue]

Isn't Jeep part of the so-called big 3? Jeep has a plant in the Detroit/Toledo area that could easily make the J8. Instead they have acres and acres of gas powered stuff no one wants. Someone tell me why they deserve tax payer subsidized loans for another bailout?

This is where we get into catch22 territory. These are big employers of middle class folks, and really, we don't need folks out of work. But, yes I agree that it's a bit stupid to keep something that's not working afloat when these companies are doing NOTHING to help solve the problem...

Cheers

Dave

 

[haven]

In 2010, European emissions rules change to Euro 5. These rules are a lot like USA EPA rules. This is why quite a few European manufacturers are waiting until 2010 to introduce diesel versions in USA.

At the same time, there's an effort to simplify and standardize other regulations so auto makers will have a less expensive and time-consuming task to adapt cars to multiple markets.

I don't expect miracles here, but over time these two trends will encourage Euro manufacturers to build cars for the North American market. I'd love to see French and Italian sedans return to USA, for example.

It's still an open question how well-received diesels will be in the USA passenger market. If diesel continues to cost 20% more than gasoline, and the diesel version of the vehicle costs a lot more, then diesel cars will be in trouble. Some of the new gasoline engine technologies boost power and torque up to levels found in diesels, and don't cost as much as their diesel counterpart. This could convince the car companies to forget about diesels, except for the medium duty truck market.

Chip Haven

 

[4Rescue]

In 2010, European emissions rules change to Euro 5. These rules are a lot like USA EPA rules. This is why quite a few European manufacturers are waiting until 2010 to introduce diesel versions in USA.

At the same time, there's an effort to simplify and standardize other regulations so auto makers will have a less expensive and time-consuming task to adapt cars to multiple markets.

I don't expect miracles here, but over time these two trends will encourage Euro manufacturers to build cars for the North American market. I'd love to see French and Italian sedans return to USA, for example.

It's still an open question how well-received diesels will be in the USA passenger market. If diesel continues to cost 20% more than gasoline, and the diesel version of the vehicle costs a lot more, then diesel cars will be in trouble. Some of the new gasoline engine technologies boost power and torque up to levels found in diesels, and don't cost as much as their diesel counterpart. This could convince the car companies to forget about diesels, except for the medium duty truck market.

Chip Haven

very good and valid points chip. I gues I got 2010 and Euro10 mixed up, so it's Euro5 in 10 right on. Although I'd argue that matching Power out puts has never been the issue of gas versous diesel, it's the added bonus of economy that is the real winner to me. Looking at a Mitsu 2.0Lturbo motor inthe Evo's shows what you can do with a relatively small disp. gas motor. But...Power plus fuel economy equals a clear winner in my book as does simplicity (speaking of older diesels primarily here). And again, there is CLEARLY an agenda behind Diesel costs (which doesn't change anything and you are of course spot on with the cost issues)...

Another issue I have with the whole bailout of the big three is what does it ultimately cause? IMO it causes these auto makers to have NO incentive to make better products. It's like some rich kid who keeps doing stupid things and losing a ton of his folks and other peoples money and getting in trouble with the law. If you just keep bailing him out with little to absolutely no concequence, why would he ever change. And then all you end up with is some spoiled little brat who eventualy end up becoming some loser political figure who ruins countries and never has to answer for thier bad descisions and lies. But hey, they're rich and daddy(in this case played by the tax payer) is always there to bail them out, so it's all good right??? You see what I did there

Cheers

 

[mtnbike28]

Diesel costs?

"And then we get into the question of why an unrefined fuel costs more at the pump than say highly refined Premium petrol..."

I seem to remember reading somewhere part of the higher cost of diesel was related to the fact the US diesel refinery or production was maxed up just keeping up with current demand... is this true? If do we need more refineries, but again I think it's been a while since a new one has been built.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

I am becoming less interested in diesel as the price stays quite a bit higher AND the diesel motors are becoming more complicated and computer controlled. Seems to me the biggest two "plus" factors for me are lost.

 

[Root Moose]

I am becoming less interested in diesel as the price stays quite a bit higher AND the diesel motors are becoming more complicated and computer controlled. Seems to me the biggest two "plus" factors for me are lost.

This is where I'm at with it as well.

Pay ~20-25% more for ~30% fuel economy doesn't make a lot of sense at this time.

Then there's the convenience of finding gas no matter where you go whereas diesel you have to know which stations have it and which don't. At least this is the case around here.

And gas engines run cleaner, pollute less.

And, and...

Lot of bother for ~5-10% IMO.

 

[Backwoods Rambler]

I would love the JT.

We need a small pickup back here in the US. The new tacoma is huge.

I agree with the above mentioned "Cons" of diesel....and the fact that this truck would be the shiznit!

..... so who wouldn't want this J-T with a gas/flex-fuel/CNG powered big V6 or small V8??

I would jump on that like a fly on S#!T!!!

 

[Nomad_K]

I'm in for this truck if Jeep would bring it to the States or anywhere else that I work!

As for diesel and the future - it seems set in Europe where they have embraced the improved efficiency, but the US fuel market is so closed/hosed compared to the rest of the world that I don't see it making headway without some push by the government and or the big 3. Also, the improvements in gasoline/petrol engines and technology may even narrow the gap as Chip mentioned above.

As for diesel and refineries - I've been on the bio-side of chemical engineering for awhile so please correct me if I am wrong - but many refineries produce (or have the ability to produce) diesel and gasoline. Most refineries in the US are just optimized for gasoline production since we use more gas than diesel - hence there is more gasoline available in our market so the cost is lower.