Lead acid batteries inside a Van

Cole

Expedition Leader
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Just google sulfuric acid mist, and each and every hit will mention lead acid battery charging, and likely cancer.


I suppose if you were manufacturing batteries or doing industrial plating inside your camper van then those would be concerns.


Google "death from car accident" and I'm sure you will find that far more people die for driving a van the putting a battery inside it. :coffeedrink:

You may also try "sudden deceleration syndrome"
 

Cole

Expedition Leader
Just learned from some more searching on the topic that some of the new Jeeps, new Mercedes,
new Porsches, new VW, new Sprinters, and several others still put a battery under the front seats in 2014!!


So why do some people think they know something the manufactures don't?
 

Joe917

Explorer
We are discussing charging WET DEEP CYCLE batteries that are being cycled. A massive difference from starting batteries,especially as the manufacturers will be using AGM's inside their vehicles .
 

wrcsixeight

Adventurer
So why do some people believe manufacturers have the best interest of the consumer in mind? The Maximum profit at any cost mentality rules this day and age. Lawyers and bean counters always overrule what the engineers would design if they were allowed. Vehicular charging systems rarely allow the high enough voltages for long enough to allow an auxiliary battery to reach full charge, and thus will not offgass nearly as much anyway.

Perhaps these same people drive the speed limit in the left lane and hold up traffic, pissing everybody off, because that is what the government says is safe and nobody should drive faster than the speed limit anyway.

Freaking ridiculous.

Starting batteries will Not offgas as much as a Deep cycle as the chemistry of their plates is different to minimize offgassing and water loss. So much so that some flooded 'maintenance free' batteries are basically sealed, meaning one cannot replace lost water as the battery manufacturer have calculated that the battery will die before enough water loss has occurred that it would benefit from refilling. Also most consumers this day and age expect anything remotely expensive to never need maintenance, so a 'maintenance free' battery is especially marketable to the crowd dependent sheeple.

Not one of these flooded 'maintenance free' batteries is a deep cycle. I doubt any marine or dual purpose batteries are either.

Even these batteries in newer vehicles that do have them inside the cab, are either using AGM batteries, or have them in a sealed ,vented to the exterior, container.

And as said, there is a huge difference between topping up a minorly depleted starting battery, and properly recharging a flooded deep cycle battery that was cycled down to 50%. Huge. Not even comparable.

I just did my weekly equalization on my US battery Flooded deep cycle group 31, requiring voltage upto the 16v range, and taking 5 amps to reach and hold voltage.

This 130 A/h, true deep cycle battery, located under my hood, was bubbling and gurgling up a storm, and I could smell the acid mist from several feet away. This particular battery requires these extreme voltages for the Specific gravity to return to the maximum baseline of 1.290. If I do not perform this weekly EQ session, the specific gravity will read 1.225 or less after a week of 14.8v+ several hours each day and a nightly depletion of 25 to 40 amp hours, and the battery will perform abysmally, in terms of voltage held for the amount of capacity removed from it and will get worse each night until I do the EQ recharge session.

No way would I subject my interior to the smell or the amount of acid mist that properly and fully recharging this battery requires, and anybody who wants to share their interior with such a battery when it is being PROPERLY recharged, would be wise to put it in a sealed container vented to the exterior of the vehicle, seeing as how Sulfuric Acid mist is a known carcinogen.

Or you can go with Cole's logic, drink the kool aid, and win the Darwin award.
 

robgendreau

Explorer
My house battery was installed by Sportsmobile in the van. It was a lead acid, and vented to the outside. It was an RVIA requirement. There are tons of battery boxes available with vents, and it shouldn't be that hard to install somewhere. That being said, I think I'd go the extra $$ and get AGM without the venting in perhaps a DIY box arrangement so they'd be tied down and somewhat isolated. I've seen AGM grp 27s in Walmart for $200, and while that's twice a similar lead acid they have also lasted far longer for me than lead acid ever did. Last battery I got at Walmart (tho' not a deep cycle) was made by Johnson Controls, btw; maybe the AGMs are too.

But don't you have room UNDER the van? When my current batteries go, I plan to make a tray that attaches to the driver's side frame rail and I'll carry them down there.
 

Cole

Expedition Leader
But don't you have room UNDER the van? When my current batteries go, I plan to make a tray that attaches to the driver's side frame rail and I'll carry them down there.


The OP looks to be in Lake Tahoe. So the batteries would always be in the cold during winter FWIW. Which, I'm sure is at least part of the reason many manufactures choose to put their house batteries inside the van???
 

bdog1

Adventurer
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4x4junkie

Explorer
If you're worried about gasses from the batteries, look for ones that use "lead-calcium" plate technology (these are sometimes called "Dual-Purpose" and many infact do bear the "Maintenance-Free" moniker but are infact rated for deep-cycle use).
Such batteries gas at a far lower rate than what a standard (lead-antimony) battery does (probably on the order of 2-5%), and shouldn't present an issue inside of a vehicle.

The Delco Voyager is an example of a battery with lead-calcium plates.
Costco (Kirkland) also sells a deep-cycle battery that I suspect uses lead-calcium plates, but I haven't confirmed it yet.
 

GorillaJoe

New member
Just get SLA (sealed lead acid) batteries if you're really worried. You can tip them on their side and they won't leak and still work.

Even if overcharged, they won't vent until you're at like 16-17 volts. So if you're at 14.7Vdc, you'll be okay and they won't give off any gasses at all during the recharge period.

You can install them under your bunks and sleep right over top of them the whole time without having to worry about anything. They're the way to go.
 

Heloflyboy

Adventurer
Thanks for all the info guys. A lot of good points made. I can put it underneath the van on the frame rails. It just makes it easy to steal and hard to maintain. I have a spot in the van under a cabinet that I am going to install hoops for securing the battery in a box. From what I have read I think I am going to get a sealed battery box and vent it outside. I plan on getting a better setup as soon as i can.

Thanks
 

spencyg

This Space For Rent
FWIW, I run dual lead acid deep cycle "house" batteries under the rear couch in my van. They are in sealed vented boxes and have never caused me a lick of trouble. I charge with the alternator when "out", and when its in the driveway it's always plugged into the onboard charger. Never a single problem and I have no intention of changing it.

SG
 

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