Motor Trend compares Jeeps from 1945 and 2012

[jeepdreamer]

So maybe jeep/Jeep just needs to start an off shoot line. Get into the side by side off road atv thingy market. They could just bring in the tooling for an old MB-CJ3b and sell it as an ATV? Heck.. for what the going rate is for a modern SxS I think it may even be cheaper! LOL! That way they can build the flattys for us old grumps and the new JK style stuff to make money and keep the fluffers happy.

 

[jeep-N-montero]

"troll" .... LOL - no, just pure satire from 'one guy on the internet's perspective'. Of course there's no greatest truck. I just came out said what everyone else is thinking about their own Jeep (or rover, GS, cruiser, g-wagon).

I just find some of these 'debates' (read: vehicle bashing) and the brand and model elitism amusing, that's all - thus my "troll" (read: satirical) post. Granted, sometimes (often times?) things get lost in translation on the WWW.

Case in point - To use your quote from above: "New Jeeps are made to last the three year lease/warranty cycle and nothing more" ----

.... So, Prove it.

I don't think Scott Brady (and many others, i would circumstantially argue) would agree with you given the reliability success Expeditions West has had with their JK. But, that's not even my point .... Give me some technical research, some definitive evidence, an internal Chrysler memo - anything to back up that statement that adds to the collective knowledge base and something that's not simply a vehicle bash. That's my point.

That said, it's a free country AND an Internet forum - say whatever you want. :sombrero:

Hopefully, that clears up my post.

Back to the jeep opinions ....

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I'm pretty sure the JK will last more than 3 years, but if we take the first 10k TJ's and the first 10k JK's off the assembly line and compare service, recall, and reliability notes after 5 years of use, I think we all know the TJ will come out on top. Just saying....

 

[Area52]

I drive a 1945 CJ2A. I also have a 2012 JK Unlimited. This is my 3rd JK Unlimited. I've only ever owned Wranglers and CJ's. I've had 10 all together. There is lots about the JK I don't love. But its all interior or looks. As in function I can't complain about the JK in anyway. But no matter what.. rain or shine ill drive the CJ over the JK any day. Its a real jeep. Real jeeps are spelled with a lower case, "j" . Lol

I saw this flat fender on Ft Bliss today as I was headed to the car wash to remove last weeks mud:

 

[comac90]

I'm pretty sure the JK will last more than 3 years, but if we take the first 10k TJ's and the first 10k JK's off the assembly line and compare service, recall, and reliability notes after 5 years of use, I think we all know the TJ will come out on top. Just saying....

"probably" ... based on my very limited, totally anecdotal, speculative opinion - especially with the older 3.8. It would be interesting to see. Really be interesting to see with the new 3.6. I could care less about the 3.8L - I'm not impressed with that motor simply on HP alone.

Regardless, I'd still take what I bought over a TJ any day (hopefully, I'll give that same answer in 10 years. :sombrero. I had a decently built TJ for about a year that I ran a bunch of 'somewhat' harder trails with (Rusty Nail, Carnage Canyon, some stuff at Tellico ...), but the TJ wouldn't cut it now for what I want: a bit more of an overlander with good highway manners that will carry several people, but still have the ability to go run 90% of what I want to go run. If reliability holds up, I'll have a nearly perfect vehicle for my intended use.

Now, if HP and MPG could be bumped another 30%. :ylsmoke:

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[jeep-N-montero]

"probably" ... based on my very limited, totally anecdotal, speculative opinion - especially with the older 3.8. It would be interesting to see. Really be interesting to see with the new 3.6. I could care less about the 3.8L - I'm not impressed with that motor simply on HP alone.

Regardless, I'd still take what I bought over a TJ any day (hopefully, I'll give that same answer in 10 years. :sombrero. I had a decently built TJ for about a year that I ran a bunch of 'somewhat' harder trails with (Rusty Nail, Carnage Canyon, some stuff at Tellico ...), but the TJ wouldn't cut it now for what I want: a bit more of an overlander with good highway manners that will carry several people, but still have the ability to go run 90% of what I want to go run. If reliability holds up, I'll have a nearly perfect vehicle for my intended use.

Now, if HP and MPG could be bumped another 30%. :ylsmoke:

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You just may get that 30% increase in MPG if the govt has their way. I love my Jeep but the only downside is lack of a real frame.

 

[AmericaOverland]

^^ This

In fairness though, the typical mileage over lifetime on a vintage flat fender more closely resembles that of a motorcycle (10s of thousands of miles) compared to a modern vehicle (100s of thousands of miles).

That's not what he meant. I'm sure he meant that you may not be able to find the computers or replacement interface parts to connect said computers to the Jeeps, and you would probably have to build the computers/interface parts from scratch, like the way they built computers or electric circuits back in the 40s/50s to replicate what they do on a much smaller real estate. With the oldsters, you don't have that problem. Now, what would be interesting is to take the JK or even the TJ and strip it down to refit them with CJ hardware and mechanical parts like manual windows and locks.

 

[Metcalf]

I tried not to say anything....I really did....

Park a new 4-door rubicon next to a 1940s flat fender at Easter Jeep Safari and just watch what happens....

While my 1942 Willys MB is FAR from stock, it it amazing to see the amount of metal still left in a 70 year old vehicle! The tub, aside from having 70 years of odd holes drilled in it is still VERY solid. My old jeep has been USED most of its life as far as I can tell. It went through a war, came home, got modified, but is still just an amazing vehicle overall. The concept all the way from the 1940s really hasn't changed THAT much, it has basically only gotten bigger, heavier, and more expensive.

If you could travel back in time to 1946 and order a NEW cj2a it was about $1200. In 2011 dollars that would be about $14,500? Can you go out and buy a new jeep for that....nope.

In my opinion they have just added fluff to jeeps since then.

If you think a 2012 jeep is THAT much more capable then a 1940s jeep your kidding yourself. Yes, it can go 100mph....but can it fit between two trees five feet apart :sombrero: Capability can be measured in many ways.....

I would love to see someone build a 1940s flat fender with appropriate current technology.......better leaf spring technology, better tires, better shocks, hydroformed frame rails, mechanical diesel engines, stronger materials for axle shafts, etc.

People have been almost screaming for a smaller lighter simpler jeep for a long time now....

 

[Repo503]

Jeep fans and Porsche 911 fans are almost the same people...they both hate anything new.

Porsche folks are still crying about water cooled engines. Jeeps folks are still crying about having air conditioning as an option or some other nonsense. Somehow anything new makes it the vehicular equivalent of a limp wrist.

Obviously these people have no sense of how the auto industry works, kind of important to offer something people will buy and meet current safety and emissions standards.

The JK is still pretty simple, rugged, and capable yet could actually work as a daily driver for many people. People harp on quality but Land Rovers are worse, people complain about the interior being too fancy but its much more simple than even the most basic Toyota sold in the states. I think some people just like to complain.

 

[mikeg1713]

This is my daily driver...

I also have a 2012 Jk unlimited .

 

[jeepdreamer]

Splat!

This is my daily driver...

I also have a 2012 Jk unlimited .

You, sir... Should warn us before posting sexy pics! I need to go change my undies now... thanks! lol!

 

[mikeg1713]

Sorry... I'll fix that... Heres my other "Jeep"

 

[mikeg1713]

Holy ********... I didnt realilize I posted the pic with my SCAR in the window. .... I had just put that on another site... Oops... Lol

 

[reece146]

I dunno what you guys and gals are whining about. It could be worse, look at the Land Rover DC100 prototype to replace the Defender.

On the other tangent/rant, the irrational fear of electronics and electrics makes me laugh. If it breaks fix your junk, big deal.

Can't find replacement electronics in 20 years? You aren't looking hard enough. Or replace with something else. Hell, nowadays EFI systems are considered so trivial you can roll your own using a kit/plans from the megasquirt site.

ABS controllers? Body control modules? Just rip that ******** out and do a little rewiring in the worse case scenario. How hard is it to re-jig a set of power windows away from a BCM? You've hooked up a starter and it's soleniod before, right? Same things...

Don't like it? When it takes a crap rip it out. BFD

The issue I have with modern vehicles has little to do with the electronics and such. That's bush league stuff if you can spin a wrench and use a soldering iron. It's how flimsy the metal and plastics tend to be.

2¢

 

[67390FE]

Holy ********... I didnt realilize I posted the pic with my SCAR in the window. .... I had just put that on another site... Oops... Lol

Please do not apologize. If there is one thing I enjoy as much as Jeep pics, it is gun picks!

 

[Calin.Macrinici]

I tried not to say anything....I really did....
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I would love to see someone build a 1940s flat fender with appropriate current technology.......better leaf spring technology, better tires, better shocks, hydroformed frame rails, mechanical diesel engines, stronger materials for axle shafts, etc.

People have been almost screaming for a smaller lighter simpler jeep for a long time now....

This Talk about not cheap though!