Newbie question about import rules

BigJimCruising

Adventurer
On various places around these forums I read reference's to rules about the age of a vehicle restricting it from being imported. I'm interested in mog's but it seems like they need to be a certain age before you can get them here in the U.S.A. Can anyone tell me how old they have to be to get them here? And do these rules apply to other foreign vehicles? Thanks, Jim.
 

oonimog

Adventurer
25 years. Why go to the trouble of importing one, have a particular one in mind? If not, look around in the US as there are a few nice ones for sale and current prices are pretty reasonable.

OO
 

mhiscox

Expedition Leader
25 years. Why go to the trouble of importing one, have a particular one in mind? If not, look around in the US as there are a few nice ones for sale and current prices are pretty reasonable.

OO
I'd second that. Though I imported mine without problems, it wasn't the simplest thing dealing with customs and the shipping line, and there's a number of places where things can go wrong.

There is also the cost of shipping, which has risen dramatically, and the fact that the dollar is way down against most foriegn currencies and especially against the Euro.

Now if the vehicle you want is some one-of-a-kind rig (mine was) that you're not going to find here, 25 years is the key. But if you're interested in a standard Unimog truck, start the investigation in the close to home.

And the best place to start is to review what's available at the Unimog Exchange:

http://unimog.net/exchange/.

Good luck.
 

BigJimCruising

Adventurer
Great info! Thanks for the answers! I'd rather buy here but it doesn't seem like there are very many for sale. I'd like to stick with a newer model (within reason) but they seem hard to find. I'll do more research now that I have this info. Thanks so much for the help!! Jim.
 

mhiscox

Expedition Leader
I'd like to stick with a newer model (within reason) but they seem hard to find.
Well, that's the big problem. As the EPA and the NHTSA added more rules and more enforcement in the 1980s, the number of imports dropped substantially. Doesn't matter weather it was a Unimog or some racy Audi rally car, it became close to impossible to import something new on your own. For a few models--most notably for this group the G-series Mercedes trucks by Europa--the EPA and DOT licensed "authorized converters" that were allowed to try to bring the vehicle in line with US specifications. If they did it within, IIRC, a year, the vehicle cleared customs; if not, it got deported.

However, though a wide variety of circumstances, many Mogs did make it into the country. Some were here as "agricultural" or other non-road use, some flew under the radar due to some confusion with the accepted/prohibited listings, and so on. Things are much tighter now, with it being virtually impossible for an amateur to get a under-25 truck in.

But regardless of how they got here, once a Mog is acceptably in the country as regards the federal government, the issue then becomes whether your state will license and title it. That's not a challenge in some states, but in others, there may be additional issues due to emissions, safety requirements and so on. The wisdom is that if a truck has been titled and licensed in one state, it's much more likely to get licensed in another state, but even that is not an absolute certainty. The first titling of an imported Mog in the US is pretty hair-raising, though; in most states, the first thing they'll want to be shown is the Customs form approving the importation.

BTW, in Mog terms, the SBU series--1250, 1300, 1450, 1550, 1750, 2450--is considered "new," even though some are close to 30 years old. Be aware that there are very few Mogs in the US that are post early-90s.
 

BigJimCruising

Adventurer
Thanks mhiscox for that info, I hadn't even thought about their being problems with registration. I'm in commie California so I shudder at the thought of trying to register one here from another state. Just sitting here thinking about my crazy state has we wondering if I should just stop the madness now!

From what little I know about mogs so far it looks like I would want a UL 1300 or maybe 1500?? Again I'm still just getting started learning so these might be the wrong models.
 

BigJimCruising

Adventurer
I would prefer some kind of extended cab or 4 door type but they seem pretty few and far between. I could make do with the regular cab if the deal if that's all I can find.

Another question that I haven't figured out yet, are there different wheel base lenghts?
 
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Scenic WonderRunner

Guest
Here is a site I have enjoyed for several years now. I just can't seem to get myself to write the check. Although I do need a good tow vehicle for the SWR, since it always breaks!....:sombrero:

http://www.swissarmyvehicles.com/vehicles.php


And not to go too off topic, and not wanting to start another thread.....

Did this site actually allow somebody to cockroach the parts off one of their Red Bull Pinz>?!!

And all of the graphics are gone....darn it!

You might also consider a Pinz. I want one!

http://www.swissarmyvehicles.com/vehiclelist.php?cat=1


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mhiscox

Expedition Leader
From what little I know about mogs so far it looks like I would want a UL 1300 or maybe 1500?? Again I'm still just getting started learning so these might be the wrong models.
Unimogs were virtually all built to the customers' specifications and the list of available options was huge. Many of the vehicles in the US are former military vehicles, from the Bundeswehr mostly for the 1300s, and they are largely the same basic model. But the ones from indivduals and other agencies vary all over the place.

Keep in mind that the SBU series are pretty good-sized trucks with pretty small cabs; when you are not off-road, it's not too different than driving a Class 6 day cab through traffic. They make the most sense when you have something significant to haul around, like a camper box. Some of the older Mogs are much more nimble (in fact, the petrol-engined 404 is a match for a built Wrangler) but suffer in highway comfort. You might want to review a list of the models at:

http://www.unimogcentre.com/unimogmodels.html

to help with the naming conventions.

There's a lot of Mog expertise on this forum, so ask any questions as they come up. You can also access all the Mog expertise you'll ever need by subscribing to the Mog Mailing List at http://www.tx4x4.com.
 

Ford Prefect

Expedition Leader
I do not recall you mentioning the price range you are looking for, but this guy has one of the nicest mogs for sale that I Have seen in a very long time.

Unimog


Furthermore I am pretty sure he knows everything ever known about mogs.
Seems near the end of his thread he was asking 56K. It is a U1250, and it is a Doka, with fast axles etc.

Good luck in your hunt.
 

BigJimCruising

Adventurer
Oh wow guys! Lots of info, sort of an overload!! lol! Looks like I've got my homework cut out for me. Seems there's lots more to these mogs then I ever suspected. Thank God for this web site and you guys helping me along!!!!!! I'm going to take some time to let it all soak in. Thanks again guys! This is not going to be as easy as I had thought!

Yes I had thought about the Pinz but they don't seem to have the payload that the mogs have. Of course at this point I could be totally wrong about that!
 

kingtut

New member
Thanks mhiscox for that info, I hadn't even thought about their being problems with registration. I'm in commie California so I shudder at the thought of trying to register one here from another state. Just sitting here thinking about my crazy state has we wondering if I should just stop the madness now!

When I got my 416 it was imported to RI and I didn't want to do all the work of registering a just imported vehicle in Calif so I had it registered in Maine (no title required if older than 15 years) thru a registration service, it cost me about $200. They mailed me the plates and then I went to DMV here in Calif and was no problem tranfering from another state. Being a Diesel it only had to be 23 years old. They did make me pay sales tax as I had owned it less than a year before bring it to Calif.
Ron
 

BigJimCruising

Adventurer
When I got my 416 it was imported to RI and I didn't want to do all the work of registering a just imported vehicle in Calif so I had it registered in Maine (no title required if older than 15 years) thru a registration service, it cost me about $200. They mailed me the plates and then I went to DMV here in Calif and was no problem tranfering from another state. Being a Diesel it only had to be 23 years old. They did make me pay sales tax as I had owned it less than a year before bring it to Calif.
Ron

Thanks Ron, I'll keep that in mind! Clever way around these idiots out here in CA! This sure is becoming a big task! And I'm wondering what happens in a couple years when the new diesel regs start to kick in for CA. Could get ugly!
 

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