Potential downsize. Tundra vs Ram 1500

displacedtexan

Active member
Not exactly what you're looking for...

But I'd say to get a 3/4 ton.

I drove 3/4 and 1 tons for 15 years, and got a half ton because it was sufficient for everything I was doing.

It was sufficient... But I didn't really like how it did anything but ride empty.

I went back to a 3/4 after about a year.
 

rruff

Explorer
Something like 90% of Tundra’s have a max payload of 1,200lbs.

Really? Not according to the sticker. A bunch have been hauling 3,000 lbs for hundreds of thousands of miles, so I wouldn't be concerned about being a little over.

I wouldn't buy a used Tundra though unless an incredible deal fell in my lap. Better to buy new... because I can't stomach paying 2/3s of new price on a vehicle with 100k miles.

Thanks for all the input though. I am also looking at a Sequoia for my wife, and since it’s Tundra based, the info crosses over in a lot of cases.

Used Sequoias don't seem as overpriced to me. Also, I guess you might find a used Tundra for a decent price if you live in an area where people don't like them. They both get stellar reliability ratings, much better than domestic competition.
 
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Todd780

OverCamper
I wouldn't buy a used Tundra though unless an incredible deal fell in my lap. Better to buy new... because I can't stomach paying 2/3s of new price on a vehicle with 100k miles.
Agreed.

I'm seeing 2 year old Tundras going for the same prices as new ones here.
 

phsycle

Adventurer
Really? Not according to the sticker. A bunch have been hauling 3,000 lbs for hundreds of thousands of miles, so I wouldn't be concerned about being a little over.

You’ve got to remember most are crewmax. Not SR like yours

Every single one I’ve looked at were 1200 lbs. (yes, the door jamb sticker)
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
We are looking at the older trucks as a temporary fill in between selling our ‘20 Tacoma and the arrival of our new vehicle. We are buying another acreage and need to clear some of the debit column until after the mortgage is funded. Then we will get another new vehicle. Looking at Broncos (Badlands with Squatch pack) or possibly a 4Runner. I need a vehicle payment for the tax write offs, so the older truck is a stop-gap rig.
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
You’ve got to remember most are crewmax. Not SR like yours

Every single one I’ve looked at were 1200 lbs. (yes, the door jamb sticker)

What era? The ‘03-‘08s that are for sale near me are in the 1400-1500 range.
 

tacollie

Glamper
You’ve got to remember most are crewmax. Not SR like yours

Every single one I’ve looked at were 1200 lbs. (yes, the door jamb sticker)
The mid 2000s the Tundra is on par for other trucks of the era. Plus @redthies will be unloaded most the time. He'll be fine with a Tundra.
 

phsycle

Adventurer
What era? The ‘03-‘08s that are for sale near me are in the 1400-1500 range.

2nd Gen.

With the 1st Gen, the 2UZ/4.7 is not the best for towing. Towed a 3-4K lb trailer and it struggled. 2UZ is a nice engine but I’d look elsewhere for towing. (The 2nd Gen 5.7 is much better, though)
 

GeorgeHayduke

Active member
Are you sure the Tacoma you already have won't do you what you need? I think the tow rating on those is a little over 6000 lbs and people run FWC's on those all the time.

I guess if you've got a tax write-off situation then it's different but given the distorted vehicle market I'd take a hard look at if you can make your current vehicle work.
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
We will be getting a big fat cheque for the Taco. Selling it is a done deal. I have a 3500 still, and may end up hanging on to it a bit longer. A 2UZ is likely in my very near future based on a test drive tonight. It’s not a Tundra, but will do great at replacing the Tacoma for bird dog hauling duties until we lease a new vehicle again after our next mortgage is funded. Teaser pic below, and given the condition of the vehicle, and the list of work done in the past 10,000 miles and the price I negotiated, I’m pretty sure it will be a go...701A5191-D7A7-4E2B-B92B-0AE938CF7912.jpeg
 

UglyViking

Well-known member
I would say your best bet for finding the information you want is dedicated forums for each truck. This forum just won't have the kind of detailed info you're looking for. I think Toyota makes a great product, but to be totally honest they are starting to get to a point where I question it. From the late 90s through early 10s I think Toyota was really king on most things, but you're paying an upcharge for a vehicle that isn't much better than competition. I've not heard great things about towing with tundras, but ymmv. The early 4th gen 1500s should be ok, but I seem to remember some quality control issues, and not sure if the trans is something you'll want to deal with or not. Again, the model specific forums will have the best information here. If you decide to make the switch you'll probably be pretty happy with either.

The last thing I'll add is that the Toyota may be more reliable overall, but I'd price out what is likely to go wrong with each, and their respective timeframes. That way you can see how much you're paying up front for the reliability of the Toyota. As others have said, I just generally don't see the value in spending 2/3rds of a vehicles total price with a truck abused for the past 100k miles because "its a toyota" vs buying a decently taken care of ram and saving yourself a bunch of cash, again assuming the likely to go wrong items don't outweigh everything.

I know you didn't ask, but I over thoughts on the financials. Feel free to ignore if you want. Tax law is pretty complex and I'll assume you know what you're doing here, but may be worth it to stop and look at the overall picture. As I read it you want a new vehicle for a tax write off, but you also mention that you're trying to move debt for a loan on some acreage. I would wager a guess that your 3500 is paid off, in which case you're doing nothing for your loan to debt ratio, perhaps hurting it a little. In terms of the tax write off, I had thought that vehicles must be new for the full benefits from that program? Perhaps I'm wrong, as I said tax law is complex, but either way couldn't you also help reduce tax burden by donating or such? To me, it seems like an odd choice to spend cash out of pocket, to get a tiny bit of tax write off, when you could likely spend less via donations and get the same write off. Again, I don't know all the details but it may be digging into additional options.
 

redthies

Renaissance Redneck
@UglyViking - I am in BC in Canada so tax law is indeed different. The 3500 is paid for. The Tacoma is leased for company use (we operate as a “sole proprietorship”) but is in my name, not the business since we are not incorporated. We are returning the Tacoma to our dealer,who is paying out the lease and giving us a bunch of cash on top for the equity. That will mostly pay for the Sequoia which will replace it (see post above). Once the new mortgage is funded, we will lease another new vehicle. It’s a 6 month shuffle. I can write off 100% of a lease if it’s business use, and because of the nature of our business, almost every mile put on the truck is potentially going to create revenue, so we write 90% of the lease costs off. Life would be way simpler if they realized that tax write offs negate the payment, but they only see “you have a car payment”, not “you have a car payment that if you didn’t have, would result in paying the same amount to the taxman, and get nothing in return”. Banks also want you to have a bunch of credit to get a good credit score, but as soon as you want to buy a sound investment in real estate, they don’t want you to owe anything to anyone but them. I’m going to just say banks are infuriating and leave it at that.

More Sequoia pics to get back on track:86E97DBD-3978-40D1-88B8-19CD8EA90BBB.jpeg
 
That’s a gorgeous sequoia! I’m jealous of the added space you have over my grand Cherokee and it even looks awesome with the roof box on. Great find!


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redthies

Renaissance Redneck
Thanks Tyler. I’m letting the seller keep the box. I don’t have much use for it. But the list of maintenance and modifications is worth more than I’m paying for the complete rig. It’s a very good deal, especially in this market!
 

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