Rugged Laptops

Mlachica

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Yeah, I'm gravedigging...

Does anybody have experience with this...

It's a Toshiba Satellite U200/U205

"Ultra-mobile. Ultra-durable.
Less than 1.4" thick, starting at 4.1lbs., the Satellite® U200/U205 has advanced protection beginning its lightweight, ultra-strong, magnesium alloy chassis. A special shock-absorbing design with airpocket cushioning and padding materials protects key components (HDD, LCD, inverter) and the chassis against excessive vibration. A spill resistant keyboard allows time to save and close your open files and turn off the machine."

Sounds like a great companion for the road/ozi
 

big sky trapper

Adventurer
I spent 18 months with USAF AFTAC DET 452 completly traveling the world doing "seismic research", we complelty switched to the panasonic tough book series that was available around 2001ish. I tell you just shy complete submersion in water nothing seem to get at them. With the most minor of care they held up to everything we could possible do to them. Desert sands, artic snows and temp extrems to monsoons in asia they held up fine. below 20 F the screens were a little slow on anitial boot up to provide full resalution but every thing elese ran fine....

They were spendy ...around 8K a pop....
 

Beowulf

Expedition Leader
From doing as much research as I could on this I would go with the Getac or the Toughbook. Toughbooks are more mainstream but the Getac is much more rugged.

Of course they have a wide price difference.
 

eugene

Explorer
Hers a question, of the laptops that are dying, the OP's HP for example, is it a pavilion or a business model?
Reason I ask is there is a difference in quality between the two lines. HP and Compaq have the Presario and Pavilion line, Dell the Inspiron, etc. HP/Compaq also makes the Evo line and Dell the Latitude which are the business models. Toshiba has the two model lines but I can't remember which is which. The business models usually get better cooling, stronger cases, better hinges, better keyboards, etc. So you could compromise and instead of buying a toughbook buy something from a common business line instead of the home line and it should hold up pretty well. They are kind of like any other tool, you can buy the cheap import wrench from walmart or the super expensive snapon or compromise and buy the craftsman and they will hold up nearly as well as the snapon but for half the price.
Another option is to use something like http://www.mini-box.com/site/index.html and a separate display. I copied their design a long time ago and have a 500MHz mini-itx completely fanless, runs straight from 12v (no inverter needed) and draws around 1A @ 12v so its very low power. Take some ideas from www.mp3car.com
 
Lotta great stuff on the mp3car website. The downside to an integrated unit is you can't take it out of the vehicle, but there are more options now.

The HDD is the weak point, it fails before everything else unless you dunk the whole mess in saltwater or have a lot of conductive dust in the air.

My senior project in college involved an autonomous robot, the thing had to drive itself over a variety of obstacles, so there was a three stage shock absorber plan...vehicle suspension, computer case suspension and HDD suspension.

In addition, the OS and all critical applications (nav, etc) ran on solid-state HDDs. Their storage capacity is not as great as spinning platters, but like my MPIO vs an iPod, it'll never ever skip. All secondary applications and data logging used a ruggedized spinning HDD. Each unit took up less space than a mini-keyboard, including depth, with peripherals attached as needed and locked down elsewhere--RS232 linked GPSR, thermal imaging and sonar--since they just plugged in to a port somewhere on each box (three, all linked, performing different tasks and as backup to each other).

If it's possible to mount a solid state main drive in your laptop, with a secondary spinning drive, it'll last a lot longer...but I don't know if MS's or Mac's pigs of operating systems will fit on one of those drives, they're usually not more than a couple gigs. It works perfect if you're running an -ix like we were, you can even diagnose a failing drive on the fly since everything's running from the solid states, or run almost worry-free storage if the spinning drives are striped.

It'll also last longer if you pop the case once in a while and clean out the dust...it insulates everything and causes massive overheating, which usually means forced or catastrophic reboots right when you're doing something processor-intensive.

An old roommate of mine had a job for a while repairing laptops. They're not difficult to pull apart, and he saw plenty of instances where a good cleaning solved the majority of lockups and reboots...of course if it's gone that far, it's going downhill anyway and parts need replacing, but a thorough cleaning does wonders.

None of that helps if you've dropped it, tho. That was the most common cause of malfunction he saw, the unit was dropped and broke something--screen, solder, boards, etc...not always possible to fix without buying a new unit.

-Sean

*edit* There is one thing I forgot. I don't know if anyone makes a suspended swingarm mount for a laptop, but it will work wonders if you can find/make one vs using a rigid mount. We looked at this but it would have meant more time in the machine shop that we didn't have. Something as simple as an arm supported by a gel pack or foam does the trick, the difficult part is matching the suspension to the weight of the suspended components. The foam used in "space mattresses" (find that stuff at any home decor store now) works great as it doesn't "bounce" back, same with gel. Elastomer is a poor choice since you need a damper and that greatly increases the complexity of your setup. IIRC we used foam, but our components were very light. There are some products available that are sort of like gel, but more solid like elastomer...a quick and simple way to do it could be to mount a lightweight setup on the end of a swingarm supported by one of those gel wrist supports meant to go with a mouse and keyboard.
 
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Scott Brady

Founder
Sean,

Do you know if anyone is making a SSD that fits in the HDD locations yet?

I could even live with 30 GB or so for my laptop. (we do all of our design and photo work on a Mac now).
 

eugene

Explorer
The general consensus on mp3car.com is mounting drives or computers on some sort of shock mount make them fail faster. Also laptop drives are better than desktop drives for surviving.
My mp3computer boots Linux from a 128M CF card. I simply stuck it in an IDE adapter and plugged it and a cdrom drive in and installed the very basic "A" set of slackware Linux then rebooted and edited one of the startup files to take out the remount -rw so it boots read only. I had to do a quick search on how to setup a ram drive then made a small script to create some files in the ram drive and replaced those files on the read only drive with symlinks to the ram drive. it actually took less time to set it up than to type this, was super simple. I tried XP embedded and it sucked pretty much as bad as regular XP, I spent weeks trying to get it running completely read only and used up an MSDN tech support incident to have the MS tech tell me I should just use the XP license and install NT4 or w2k embedded if I really wanted it to work.
 
eugene said:
The general consensus on mp3car.com is mounting drives or computers on some sort of shock mount make them fail faster.
That's very strange. Not that I'm doubting that's the general case, but perhaps they were mounted with a spring and no damper? Undamped, it would be like bouncing your laptop on a trampoline!

Scott, the solid state drives we used were very low capacity...IIRC around 4GB. They were slightly larger than a credit card and less than 1/2" thick. There have been a lot of improvements since then, that was a little over five years ago, but IIRC basically they were a similar setup as the little USB keychain drives--just non-volatile flash storage. The computer boxes were completely custom, so we didn't encounter any issues fitting a drive in to a standard slot.

-Sean
 

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