Well i've learned that using any type of Thule or Yakima kayak rack holder is basically out of the question. There's just simply not enough room on the drivers side cargo box. Plus i need it to fold down and out of the way so we can open the main box and tent. I also looked into strapping it to the top of the tent like Andrew did. This is a PITA too because the ladder sticks up about 4" higher than the tent. So then you have to use spacers that won't fly out at freeway speeds, yes i know about the foam blocks. The Foam blocks have to be somewhat thick and with only 2 straps in the middle of the tent area i think the kayak will still shift around. For our setup i will just strap the kayak to the roof rack in 3 spots, front and rear and it will be just fine. Already tested on a 40 mile trip and it didn't budge one inch. I'll just have to find a different location for some of our firewood is all.