Tacoma TRD Pro driven
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p nut
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Radio silence seems to indicate he doesn't know as well. Without this pertinent info, all that fuelly data is pretty much useless. It'd be interesting to see what the analyzed data looks like.
Clutch
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Ryan seems to be the bean counter type, out of all the trucks out there, why not "count the beans" on which truck makes the most sense for your dollar. For argument's sake...what is the best way to spend $40K?
My fuzzy math is leaning towards the Ram EcoDiesel.
Ryanmb21
Expedition Leader
Hhahahha! You guys are ridiculous! You two were "talking" MPG data comparing tacoma to F150 with no mention of model spec, then concluding that full size trucks get equal or better MPG while having more power. Well that sounded to good to be true, so I went to an easy to find and well used. source, fuelly.
I went and grabbed all the mpg data from fuelly, for the trucks including all trims, and showed you the facts from that source.
Shockingly, 26 million miles of data wasn't enough to compel your opinion. You conclude it's worthless to an MPG argument.
"Best" is tough, in includes:
objective criteria, which is fact based like mpg, repair cost, resale, payload, power, price
Subjective criteria, which is style and feel, color.
I do "big data" analytics for corporations and governmental entities for a living, so the objective part I can help with.
The subjective is up to you.
I will say, look at how people spend their money, that's really how they vote, not what they write or say.
Ps - I read Mr Hanson's site and I like it very much. But I'm not sure I understand your point, he bought a tacoma recently.
Again, I own a toyota (and a honda) and I would buy an f150 if I needed a full size. I only participated in this conversation because I thought the fuelly facts would be more compelling and relevant than anecdotal personal hearsay.
Carry on
I went and grabbed all the mpg data from fuelly, for the trucks including all trims, and showed you the facts from that source.
Shockingly, 26 million miles of data wasn't enough to compel your opinion. You conclude it's worthless to an MPG argument.
"Best" is tough, in includes:
objective criteria, which is fact based like mpg, repair cost, resale, payload, power, price
Subjective criteria, which is style and feel, color.
I do "big data" analytics for corporations and governmental entities for a living, so the objective part I can help with.
The subjective is up to you.
I will say, look at how people spend their money, that's really how they vote, not what they write or say.
Ps - I read Mr Hanson's site and I like it very much. But I'm not sure I understand your point, he bought a tacoma recently.
Again, I own a toyota (and a honda) and I would buy an f150 if I needed a full size. I only participated in this conversation because I thought the fuelly facts would be more compelling and relevant than anecdotal personal hearsay.
Carry on
Ryanmb21
Expedition Leader
The best way to "spend" $40k would be to put it in a diversified stock/bond portfolio that matches your risk tolerance and drive what you have.
Plannerman
Wandering Explorer
I have recorded every fuel purchase and mileage for 83,000 miles and I'm averaging 18.2 miles/gallon in a lifted Tacoma. Some of that includes towing, some heavy hauling, fast driving, four wheeling, etc. I'd say 19.18 isn't wishful thinking. I was averaging 18.8 before the lift and bigger tires.
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bkg
Explorer
Best I've ever done on my 10 dcsb is 17.1
TacomaJack09
Observer
All this discussion about MPG's makes me appreciate my 2.7 even more! Viva La 23 mpg's!!!
Clutch
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I think you're reading into it a little wrong...you can get more truck with similar fuel consumption. Averages are just that, averages. My Tacoma mpg is under the average...but it does fetch exactly what several of my buddy's with F150 eco-boosts do.
Have you come up with a number how much more truck the F150 is than a Tacoma? Use this as a base line. Both are extra cabs, 4WD, V6 (Ford has the ecoboost though)
Oh my point was, he is a long time Toyota fan (like myself), and is not liking the direction Toyota is going with some of their products. If you read his thoughts on the Tacoma there are couple things he is doubtful on the Tacoma. Another article he compared the HiLux to the Tacoma...sure sounded like he wants a diesel.
Those are the grumblings I am hearing from long time Toyota fans. The make a good product, I do think think it can be improved. Petrol engines that gets better fuel consumption, perhaps Hybrid tech...or diesel. Would like to see independent rear suspension...or at least have it linked. Ditch those rear drums while we are it.
That is the thing...it isn't really hearsay. I rather hear people's personal experience than looking at a large swath of data...that data doesn't tell me the nitty gritty.
The best way to "spend" $40k would be to put it in a diversified stock/bond portfolio that matches your risk tolerance and drive what you have.
Ha! Well I meant on a truck...ya silly goose!
Some would argue spending $40K on stocks/bonds isn't the "best" way to spend $40K...there are other ways to get better returns.
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p nut
butter
Wow. Must say you did a pretty shotty job in presenting the data given you do it for a living. Really, is the 26 million miles of mixed data between models/trim, usage, etc. have any value? Good grief, there is a 43% swing going from the lowest to highest MPG in the F150 line up. At least give your readers some context. And you keep refering to "facts" from an anonymous online app. "Facts" is a relative term, and frankly, useless without people like you that can Properly analyze it. The 26 million miles bit is getting old, too. That's like 600 people, given a 50k mile tracking on the average. Relatively small sample, in my view.
I don't do any type of data analytics; hence, the "garbage" I threw in (the "anecdotal personal hearsay"), but surprising you would turn right back around and spew the same garbage out. How much better is your mystery-bag-o-crap than my personal experiences? Neither has much credibility to the rest of the world.
Give us some real usable data, man!
upcountry
Explorer
This thread is really cracking me up right now. What a bunch of speculative hoo-ha.
The real question, that the marketing folks have figured out already, is " how does it make you feel sitting behind the wheel ". Who cares about MpGs. You can rationalize that all day long and theorize which is better over a bud light, craft IPA, or fine scotch. What really matters is how YOU feel about it.
The real question, that the marketing folks have figured out already, is " how does it make you feel sitting behind the wheel ". Who cares about MpGs. You can rationalize that all day long and theorize which is better over a bud light, craft IPA, or fine scotch. What really matters is how YOU feel about it.
upcountry
Explorer
Seriously? Recorded every fuel purchase? You mean more than what is recorded automatically on your bank statement? That really sounds like a lot of work. @ 300 miles per tank that's a lot of data recording. You're devoted.
Clutch
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pretty much (some guys like to stir the pot, not going to point any fingers, but....ha!)
In all seriousness, would be nice if Toyota would update the Tacoma, than tossing some mild suspension and decals on it.
Throw a diesel in there already, for cripes sake! Tired of waiting...
Don't you make me buy a Ram! 
Applejack
Explorer
pretty much (some guys like to stir the pot, not going to point any fingers, but....ha!)
In all seriousness, would be nice if Toyota would update the Tacoma, than tossing some mild suspension and decals on it.
Throw a diesel in there already, for cripes sake! Tired of waiting...
I could not agree more, but I have no doubt that Toyota is letting our domestic brands test the waters here before spending the coin on a venture that may end up sour.
I still think that Toyota quality is superior to it's domestic rivals. I have friends with newer Fords, Dodges, and Chevy's...well GMC but whatever, and it's mind blowing how much time is spent in the dealer service dept. (mostly the GMC) for one reason or another, be it a problem with a failed window support bracket on the Ford, computer issues with the GMC, a front passenger seat on my friends RAM that has turned into a rocking chair. Meanwhile my 4runner scoots along, 15 years old with 162k, no squeaks or rattles, it's tight as a snare drum. My Tacoma, was newer '05, but at 82k its the same thing, I just don't have the faith that our American brands have that quality yet, they may but the problem is that it's going to take some time and some miles to sway diehards like me away. I don't mind trading up regardless of brand, but I need a solid track record before I just ship.