Thoughts for an Overlander in today's market? Suggestions?

Ozarker

Well-known member
Seems the ZR2 at $62k is another city cowboy truck, you know, for that 32 year old attorney living in an apartment in Ft. Worth that has a small parking space and limited storage. He'll load it and mod it, wear his North Face jacket and go to the office, then head to Burning man for a week each year.

Often, I relate these "overlanding" rigs to cruising boats. First question is always; where are we going? From San Deago to the Marshal Islands I'd suggest sailing a 50+ footer, to Hawaii, I'd rather have a 40' catamaran. Going small has advantages, so does going bigger, the trick is finding the best one for you.

While the OP mentioned his intensions, the Northern plains, seems he's in wide open spaces. Why go with a compact, especially one that costs more than a full size truck? What's the advantage there? Sure isn't gas mileage.

For 40+ years I always thought I needed a motorsailor, (sailboats with bigger engines to motor on a cruise in a dead calm), but they usually don't motor or sail very well. It's a good thing I never bought one because I never needed to sail to the Marshal Islands or Hawaii. (They have airports!)

Where you're going helps answer other questions, but not entirely. What's the main goal, where to, what are other desired destinations, one vehicle isn't the best choice for all destinations or terrain.

Consider where most of your travel will be, that will be on pavement, streets, highways, not cliff facings. What's the mpg/range? How much fuel do you need and what's the payload. How long are you gone? Weekend or 3 months? What do you need to carry, (want to take), another payload question. To tow or not to tow or to tow sometimes and if so, what, another payload issue.

Yes, I'm rambling, if you're headed to the North Poll you might need bigger tires, it's a snow thing, otherwise, most trucks and SUVs can move on stock size tires, but, if you really need to look the part, check the aftermarket stores for toys and shoes that fit.

These "what should I get" threads follow the same line of postings, what's the favorite flavor this week, Lexus, Toyota, Jeep, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Oddball, most seem to suggest the vehicle they drive, LOL!
 

85_Ranger4x4

Well-known member
Seems the ZR2 at $62k is another city cowboy truck, you know, for that 32 year old attorney living in an apartment in Ft. Worth that has a small parking space and limited storage. He'll load it and mod it, wear his North Face jacket and go to the office, then head to Burning man for a week each year.

Often, I relate these "overlanding" rigs to cruising boats. First question is always; where are we going? From San Deago to the Marshal Islands I'd suggest sailing a 50+ footer, to Hawaii, I'd rather have a 40' catamaran. Going small has advantages, so does going bigger, the trick is finding the best one for you.

While the OP mentioned his intensions, the Northern plains, seems he's in wide open spaces. Why go with a compact, especially one that costs more than a full size truck? What's the advantage there? Sure isn't gas mileage.

For 40+ years I always thought I needed a motorsailor, (sailboats with bigger engines to motor on a cruise in a dead calm), but they usually don't motor or sail very well. It's a good thing I never bought one because I never needed to sail to the Marshal Islands or Hawaii. (They have airports!)

Where you're going helps answer other questions, but not entirely. What's the main goal, where to, what are other desired destinations, one vehicle isn't the best choice for all destinations or terrain.

Consider where most of your travel will be, that will be on pavement, streets, highways, not cliff facings. What's the mpg/range? How much fuel do you need and what's the payload. How long are you gone? Weekend or 3 months? What do you need to carry, (want to take), another payload question. To tow or not to tow or to tow sometimes and if so, what, another payload issue.

Yes, I'm rambling, if you're headed to the North Poll you might need bigger tires, it's a snow thing, otherwise, most trucks and SUVs can move on stock size tires, but, if you really need to look the part, check the aftermarket stores for toys and shoes that fit.

These "what should I get" threads follow the same line of postings, what's the favorite flavor this week, Lexus, Toyota, Jeep, Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Oddball, most seem to suggest the vehicle they drive, LOL!

Like you say, it really depends on what one is doing.

I have been around the upper midwest some, I live in SW Iowa and have ventured to Ohio, Indiana, Kansas and Kentucky (and Texas) for offroading escapades with midsized vehicles.

I have yet to wish I had brought the F-150 that always gets left at home. Its an oil tanker on the trail compared to the Ranger or Bronco. Speaking of oil shipment, in the midwest there is a Casey's next to every Dollar General, range isn't a huge concern.

I dd the F-150, it is my tow pig and farm truck. It is not my first or even second pic for an offroader. For what I do even with the 30+gal fuel tank the other two in the fleet paddle badly it and I don't even really do much for technical stuff. Like a regular road trip though, F-150 is great.
 

TwinStick

Explorer
Still loving our ZR2. I have had some challenges with dealer and recalls. Seems I am the Guinea pig. If you have recalls done, make sure they do the multi module one first and follow the directions to the letter. It took 6 days for them to change the oil and filter, rotate the tires and perform 2 electronic reflashes.

Truck seems fine now but some things have changed since the reflash updates. Fog lights are on a different button and I can't adjust sound or fade unless I switch to am or fm. Aggravation to be sure. But I love the truck.

Drives great. Stops great. Accelerates great. Capacity of our ZR2 at this time is 1256#. I will have to subtract anything I put in/on it from that number, including me & the wife. But this truck does not feel like a midsize truck to me. Feels like a fullsized truck compared to the 2019 ZR2 diesel we had.
 

MisterNoisy

Member
Still loving our ZR2. I have had some challenges with dealer and recalls. Seems I am the Guinea pig. If you have recalls done, make sure they do the multi module one first and follow the directions to the letter. It took 6 days for them to change the oil and filter, rotate the tires and perform 2 electronic reflashes.

Truck seems fine now but some things have changed since the reflash updates. Fog lights are on a different button and I can't adjust sound or fade unless I switch to am or fm. Aggravation to be sure. But I love the truck.

Drives great. Stops great. Accelerates great. Capacity of our ZR2 at this time is 1256#. I will have to subtract anything I put in/on it from that number, including me & the wife. But this truck does not feel like a midsize truck to me. Feels like a fullsized truck compared to the 2019 ZR2 diesel we had.
That tracks with my experience after a little over a half year since purchase. It's a great Swiss Army knife of a vehicle that's hugely capable and can do passenger duty, home depot runs and wheeling in the bad stuff all pretty well. A couple of weeks ago I wandered into some stupid soft sand, promptly buried it to the axles like an idiot and the truck just walked out in 4Low with the lockers engaged.

If you're up front, it absolutely feels like a full size pickup and for something on 33s with all the off road goodies it has, it's shockingly great at pretending to be a regular commuter vehicle that just gets crap mileage - nice comfy ride and well-sorted for general driveability. The transmission is pretty aggressive about upshifting in normal traffic, but will happily hold gears if you're giving it the beans and the steering and brakes are fantastic for a truck.

Added bonus is that at least here in the South, you get a fair number of compliments - Chevy nailed the aesthetics along with pretty much everything else.
 

rruff

Explorer
The Frontier running the bullet proof v6 and 9spd AT is a serious piece of kit for the $
It was on the list for worst reliability via Consumer Reports. I'm pretty sure they didn't fire guns at it though, so I guess they still could be bullet proof. 🤪
:unsure:
 

Ozarker

Well-known member
It was on the list for worst reliability via Consumer Reports. I'm pretty sure they didn't fire guns at it though, so I guess they still could be bullet proof. 🤪
:unsure:
I'd rather be seen driving this;
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TwinStick

Explorer
Whether it's reliable long term or not remains to be seen. But I love our truck and yes, compliments and questions every time we go out. Even our mailman said it looks angry, Lol.

We also had a 2019 red diesel ZR2 and a Power Wagon w/G-56 before that. Once you have lockers, you just don't want to go back. I just can't drive an ugly truck.
 

Sid Post

Observer
It was on the list for worst reliability via Consumer Reports. I'm pretty sure they didn't fire guns at it though, so I guess they still could be bullet proof. 🤪
:unsure:

Yes, Consumer Reports reliability is rated pretty low. I really wonder why though with its proven drivetrain.

The Nissan Frontier is relatively cheap and has a solid drivetrain history so, I guess corporate mismanagement led to poor quality parts at a lower price being used which hurt reliability.

In fairness though Toyota/Lexus and Subaru have had some real issues with reliability recently too.

Stellantis isn't doing well either with Jeep and Dodge these days. Rebadged Fiats and proprietary parts in Wranglers make them something I will avoid personally. And, >$100K for a Grand Cherokee? Are you kidding me? 🤣 For that sort of money, a Grenadier or Lexus SUV are solid options IMHO. I feel sorry for those who paid >$20K above MSRP last year and are dealing with the financial wreckage today with ~$16K off Dodge Ram 1/2 tons and $24K off some Jeep Gladiators!

Myself, I am rolling around in a 2nd Gen Tacoma V6 with ~$40K of mods that is making dreams come true! 🥰
 
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Gravelette

Active member
I have a 2022 Frontier that I use to pull a small Casita travel trailer. In the midst of COVID I found myself needing a new tow vehicle and Frontiers were actually available. The pluses are a strong naturally aspirated V6, comfortable cabin and a useful tow mode. Negatives are low payload and narrow mirrors. It's 4X4 and works well on the forest service roads that are the limit of my adventuring. Initial build quality/ reliability seem on par with my previous Ford trucks. We have a Nissan headquarters and a plant nearby, maybe that's why they don't have the negative reputation they seem to have elsewhere. I was tempted by the blow out pricing of the final Armadas, V8, built in Japan, etc. Just didn't have the energy to shop.
 

85_Ranger4x4

Well-known member
I have a 2022 Frontier that I use to pull a small Casita travel trailer. In the midst of COVID I found myself needing a new tow vehicle and Frontiers were actually available. The pluses are a strong naturally aspirated V6, comfortable cabin and a useful tow mode. Negatives are low payload and narrow mirrors. It's 4X4 and works well on the forest service roads that are the limit of my adventuring. Initial build quality/ reliability seem on par with my previous Ford trucks. We have a Nissan headquarters and a plant nearby, maybe that's why they don't have the negative reputation they seem to have elsewhere. I was tempted by the blow out pricing of the final Armadas, V8, built in Japan, etc. Just didn't have the energy to shop.

Any aftermarket tow mirror options?

I had aftermarket ones on my last F-150 and I really liked them.
 

Gravelette

Active member
Yes, I got some clamp on extensions that gave a good view on the road. The mirror differences confused me when I was trying to back up the trailer so not completely satisfactory. If I keep the combo I may put a camera at the back of the trailer with a constant rear view.
 

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