Total Chaos' new 08 Landcruiser kit

hoser

Explorer
Yeah, I don't understand, Toyota sold over 180k 100's in the US and no more than maybe 10k of the 200's.
 

calamaridog

Expedition Leader
My theory is the suspension geometry is the same as the Tundra.

So I don't think it's silly. I'm just jealous.

I would much rather have coil over than torsion bars. Oh well, maybe in five years I can afford a used 200 series.
 

spressomon

Expedition Leader
It's a head scratcher for sure :punk03: . I assume TC has a successful business model but the decision to invest aftermarket lift suspension components on a brand new model year...and one that starts at $65k...seems strange at best. Never mind they have ignored the now 10-year old 100 series market altogether.

Strange indeed.
 

spressomon

Expedition Leader
calamaridog said:
My theory is the suspension geometry is the same as the Tundra.

So I don't think it's silly. I'm just jealous.

I would much rather have coil over than torsion bars. Oh well, maybe in five years I can afford a used 200 series.

The t-bars actually work very well. Other than being in the way for a 2nd t-case they do the job. It's the other front suspension components that are troublesome: Steering rack and lower control arms (since Carl has developed and made available the UCAs...mine are ordered...can't wait to get them installed and report back)...

Before I installed the Fox shocks I thought the front suspension issues centered around the t-bars. But post install proved otherwise. You should consider just installing the front Fox shocks as the upper brackets are relatively easy to fab and bolt on. Carl informed me he is running Fox just in front and feels it really made a big positive change to the front end. And hopefully Fox will offer a post style upper mount rear shock for 100's. Hundy owners need to voice this need to Fox!
 

calamaridog

Expedition Leader
spressomon said:
The t-bars actually work very well. Other than being in the way for a 2nd t-case they do the job. It's the other front suspension components that are troublesome: Steering rack and lower control arms (since Carl has developed and made available the UCAs...mine are ordered...can't wait to get them installed and report back)...

Before I installed the Fox shocks I thought the front suspension issues centered around the t-bars. But post install proved otherwise. You should consider just installing the front Fox shocks as the upper brackets are relatively easy to fab and bolt on. Carl informed me he is running Fox just in front and feels it really made a big positive change to the front end. And hopefully Fox will offer a post style upper mount rear shock for 100's. Hundy owners need to voice this need to Fox!

Dan,

Don't get me wrong. The UZJ100 IFS is very beefy. Huge torsion bars, huge CV's, etc. As I discovered, the steering rack is even bigger than the 1st generation Tundra.

I would copy your front end AND order the UCA's from Carl if I could afford to right now. I would have done it years ago!

Upgrading a coil over front end would have been easier. That's all. I'm just jealous for the EASE of choosing from several quality products when I had my Tacoma.
 

Sloan

Explorer
The could just be trying to stay ahead of the inevitable, the 80 becomes the new 60, the 100 becomes the new 80, etc.
 

Brian894x4

Explorer
I used to run T-bars in my pick-up with a total chaos like long A-arm suspension. Actually it was one of the original long A-arm suspension that Total chaos later copied and improved.

The drawbacks with torsion bars are (I believe) not being able to make a progressive suspension set up and the weakness in the set up is where the torsion bar mounts to the A-arms. The entire weight of the front of the truck rest on this mount, which has a longitude load on a laterial mount. The problem with early aftermarket tubular A-arms like mine is that the mounts would develope cracks and eventually snap in two.

I had this happen on my kit and it left me stranded at the end of a trail. I was able to limp back to a main road with the suspension resting on bumpstops, fender removed and the upper A-arm attached before the remaining suspension disintigrated.

Other than that fiasco, I didn't have any problems with my torsion bar set up and it did make other aspects of the suspension like the steering easier to set up.

I imagine the coil spring A-arms are much easier to develope with the way the loads are set up. Even though TC is an expert at torsion bar A-arms, designing ones for the excessive loads of a 100, with as much as 7000-8000lbs gross weight is probably more than they want to deal with. Also, the torsion bar mount is on the lower A-arm, which might makes thing more complicated. And finally, the major advantage of the torsion bar A-arms is that they are extended several inches, which improves travel by increasing the outer arc with minimal impact on the inner arc, but this also greatly affects the load on the outer CV and on a full time 4WD, this is not an easy thing to overcome. Especially for as few units as they would end up selling.
 

adventureduo

Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
Why would they make arms for a 200? That is silly for sure. Is that the next big pre-runner truck? LOL

Funny, majority fo the buyers wont take the thing in the dirt for a few years now. So i dont understand why they would even waste their time focusing on that model. Look how long it too the 100 to hit the off road scene.

Do they expect everyone that buys a 200 series to be lifting it right away like the Toy, Ford and Chevy disco trucks?
 

RAM5500 CAMPERTHING

OG Portal Member #183
SOCALFJ said:
So i dont understand why they would even waste their time focusing on that model.

Its a "Marketing" thing only i can almost assure you.

I understand where they are coming from, from a business stand point.

EXAMPLE: This post alone is generating talk about their company and name! :rolleyes:

Kinda irks me when companies do this, but when all is said and done, its their advertising $, and they can spend it how they wish!
 

sleeoffroad

Adventurer
It is all about who you know and what is going on in the market. The 200 series stuff is close to the Tundra stuff. Add a big name magazine that has a 200 to build, throw them all in California and that is what you get.

I bet they had to do very little to get the 200 stuff to fit and work. Hell we have had Tundra lift stuff under the 200 at the shop as well, turned out a little to tall. :D

So it is an easy option to offer it for the 200, if it exist already for the Tundra market.
 

ginericLC

Adventurer
Yep, if I could afford the 200 I'd probably be able to afford to just go drop it off and come back in a fews and have done the way I wanted it.
 

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