Total noob question about series trucks.

[Wander]

AH - HA! It's all a joke. I knew that Terri Ann would set us straight, thanks!

I'm glad I asked before I showed my ignorance when talking about the "breakfast" on my IIa and became the butt of the joke. Although it could be fun seeing how far I can pull someone's leg....

 

[TeriAnn]

AH - HA! It's all a joke. I knew that Terri Ann would set us straight, thanks!

I'm glad I asked before I showed my ignorance when talking about the "breakfast" on my IIa and became the butt of the joke. Although it could be fun seeing how far I can pull someone's leg....

Oh trust me, a lot of people have come to believe that breakfast is the correct "in group" term during the last 15 or so years since the story was started. It is an urban legend that people want to believe because it is so cute and puts them in the know. Makes them feel like they belong, even if the people who didn't get hoodwinked back then either chuckle or roll their eyes in embarrassment.

:jump:

 

[Colorado David]

Graham, don't you mean why shouldn't grille=braai. Now if someone had started the story that the grille's nickname was braai, we could have believed it.:campfire:

 

[Michael Slade]

Was I the butt of this joke? I know I have repeated it at least once. Now I feel stupid.

Think of it as a joke gone wild.

Before the mid late 1990's no one every heard of the term being used for the radiator bulkhead. About that time there was a long thread on the LRO mail list that started with a couple people pulling others legs about Australians cooking on a toxic zinc radiator grille over a fire in the outbacks & yes I think someone even mentioned that the bulkhead looked like bacon & eggs. As I recall they said the term was popular Aussie outback slang.

Some folks who should have known better convinced the newbies & coiler folks who were lucky to identify a Series truck that the radiator bulkhead is called a breakfast. It quickly caught on as a term that showed you were in the know about Series Land Rovers and spread by word of mouth & net contact from the people who read the description. I don't know anyone in the UK who called it a breakfast before that thread. You will never find it in Land Rover literature nor in manuals or parts books.

So more and more people convince other people that breakfast is the correct "in" term for the radiator bulkhead. It is totally silly and I suspect there is a small group of Canadians who still crack up every time they hear someone calling the bulkhead a breakfast.

Personally I think its kinds of sad that a joke took root and is growing on its own into a fully believed urban legend. I just hope someone doesn't take it seriously enough to grill food off the grille and eat it. "Here, hold my beer and I'll show you how real Land Rover owners grill meat"

 

[Antichrist]

I'm glad I asked before I showed my ignorance when talking about the "breakfast" on my IIa and became the butt of the joke.

Naw, you wouldn't have been.
Do a find for "breakfast" here http://www.fourfold.org/LR_FAQ/FAQ.2.Ident.LR.html

 

[mtnbike28]

1988....

When I bought my SII in 1988, the seller told me the grill was removable to cook on in the desert..... I never tried it : )

 

[gjackson]

Graham, don't you mean why shouldn't grille=braai. Now if someone had started the story that the grille's nickname was braai, we could have believed it.:campfire:

I stand corrected. The one in the pic is actually of a 101FC, but the effect is the same. :chef:

cheers

 

[TeriAnn]

Naw, you wouldn't have been.
Do a find for "breakfast" here http://www.fourfold.org/LR_FAQ/FAQ.2.Ident.LR.html

Did I forget to mention that some of the folks who started this were Canadian? I won't name names. Just as well as I forgot most of them.

 

[Colorado David]

No one has more varieties of sausage than Southern Africans as far as I know. Even though it's late I could still go for a good braai (whether it is a grille or a grill or not).

 

[Antichrist]

Did I forget to mention that some of the folks who started this were Canadian? I won't name names. Just as well as I forgot most of them.

Oh yeah, I know. My point was that, like many words, "breakfast" in reference to Land Rover's has moved from a joke in to common usage.

 

[TeriAnn]

Oh yeah, I know. My point was that, like many words, "breakfast" in reference to Land Rover's has moved from a joke in to common usage.

Sadly, I'm aware of that. Language changes over time and everyone so desperately wants to be part of the knowledgeable in-group. Using the term breakfast just puts them into the neo-in-group.

I'll just be a proper lady, sitting in my camp site, sipping my tea with a stiff upper lip and refuse to give in to those jokester hooligans who successfully pulled a prank on the Land Rover enthusiast community. I will continue to use the proper term out of my own outdated sense of what is proper and what is not. It is after all a proper British truck and one should respect it as such.

 

[Red90]

So I've tried to have a search for where on the list this joke started. The earliest one in the archives is November 17, 1994

http://www.land-rover.team.net/Year-1994/941118.html#1

But the term seems to have been around before that post as that conversation started a few days earlier, http://www.land-rover.team.net/Year-1994/941113.html#1 which is the earliest reference in that list I can find. I get the impression is was on the LRFAQ site first.

 

[Red90]

Dixon Kenner seems to have got the FAQ going here: http://www.land-rover.team.net/Year-1993/9307.html starting with Terriann's text (obviously without the word breakfast....)

 

[Red90]

In search of more information I contacted Dixon. His response is as follows.

The term has been common here in Canada going back into the 1970's. I'm not sure where the Aussie reference originally came in, but the two eggs comment early on in the thread was what I heard in the late 1980's up here. I believe there are references to "breakfast" in both the OVLR and Association of Land Rover Owners of Canada newsletters going back more than twenty five years.

Cooking on it? There were a couple of grilles made that doubled as BBQ grilles, the last I saw Jeff Meyer had. In the shape of a Series III grille, complete with fold out legs to use as a BBQ grille. But nobody ever thought to use a real one over a fire to cook with, despite being fairly common items.

Despite the mystic, it is a great term, and considering how it spread rapidly, despite unknown origins, from Canada at least, shows how accurate and applicable the term really is. I would not say that there is a small group of Canadians laughing every time they see it used. It is not a joke and Terriann is disparaging Canadians for suggesting that this was maliciously done as some sort of joke. If true, why would we use the term commonly here to describe this part of a Land Rover?

and

The term pre-existed that mailing list, and if anything, there may be references to the term on the original "British-Cars" mailing list that spawned all of the various lists that followed. However, suffice it to say, the term pre-existed the Internet in Canada. I can't speak for the Aussies or Brits. If it is a Canadian term, then good for us at introducing it to the world... What is so bad about that? We don't begrudge the Americans for calling the wings fenders!

 

[Wander]

Sadly, I'm aware of that. Language changes over time and everyone so desperately wants to be part of the knowledgeable in-group. Using the term breakfast just puts them into the neo-in-group.

I'll just be a proper lady, sitting in my camp site, sipping my tea with a stiff upper lip and refuse to give in to those jokester hooligans who successfully pulled a prank on the Land Rover enthusiast community. I will continue to use the proper term out of my own outdated sense of what is proper and what is not. It is after all a proper British truck and one should respect it as such.

Here, here..quite right you are!