Trail gear vs All Pro front/rear bumpers and sliders.

[bkg]

Can you elaborate as to why?

All Pro has a much nicer designed slider, IMHO, and has been a "leader" in this space. The TG sliders - I don't like them, and frankly, not impressed with the business model that some people liken to essentially copying designs and selling cheaper.

I do tend to like the design of their front bumper, but I personally don't like the universal mounting. Never figured out why some companies insist on using the same mounting model as the 1,2,3rd gen trucks. I don't think it's as strong for winching as something that attaches across the frame rails.

Also, I think if you look across the product spectrum, AP is offering more solutions for the expedition crowd.

Like all things in life, it's personal preference and opinion. I have All-Pro Sliders on my '10 Tacoma. And my 04 is All-Pro built, so I admittedly have a bias.

 

[Box Rocket]

All Pro has a much nicer designed slider, IMHO, and has been a "leader" in this space. The TG sliders - I don't like them, and frankly, not impressed with the business model that some people liken to essentially copying designs and selling cheaper.

I do tend to like the design of their front bumper, but I personally don't like the universal mounting. Never figured out why some companies insist on using the same mounting model as the 1,2,3rd gen trucks. I don't think it's as strong for winching as something that attaches across the frame rails.

Also, I think if you look across the product spectrum, AP is offering more solutions for the expedition crowd.

Like all things in life, it's personal preference and opinion. I have All-Pro Sliders on my '10 Tacoma. And my 04 is All-Pro built, so I admittedly have a bias.

The idea the TG is merely copying designs and selling them cheaper is an opinion that may have had some validity years ago when different people were involved with the company. Simply no longer the case. I won't argue that AP seems to be gravitating to the overland crowd a bit more.
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I'm not trying to turn this into a brand loyalty argument, but your information regarding TG is extremely inaccurate. I don't know where you're getting the info on the universal mounting of the bumpers and it not being strong enough for winching. Have you looked at the way their bumpers actually mount? They are using a very robust crossmember across the frame rails that is probably stronger for winching than a large percentage of the bumpers out there. Even though TG isn't as catered to the overland crowd, I would suggest that the type of wheelers they do target are ones that are winching and getting themselves into difficult situations far more frequently, and their products support the needs of that group.
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Have you looked at the new innovative designs coming out of TG shops? Such as custom axle housings and hybrid axle diff setups? Sorry but TG is doing quite a bit more to innovate and drive the industry beyond just building bumpers and racks for expo trucks. I have nothing against AP and even have some of their products. They have some good ones for sure, and like you said a lot comes down to personal preference but your info regarding TG is uneducated and misleading to anyone who is considering options for their trucks.
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Again, I'm not trying to say that one company is better than another, they both offer a variety of excellent products, and bringing this all back to the original question about the front bumpers from either company, I find the TG bumper to be superior in design and aesthetic and function. There unfortunately is a residual reputation from over a decade ago that some people have not let go of with TG. It is a completely different company from what it was back then.

 

[java]

I have TG sliders. Cant beat them for the price.

 

[bkg]

The idea the TG is merely copying designs and selling them cheaper is an opinion that may have had some validity years ago when different people were involved with the company. Simply no longer the case. I won't argue that AP seems to be gravitating to the overland crowd a bit more.
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I'm not trying to turn this into a brand loyalty argument, but your information regarding TG is extremely inaccurate. I don't know where you're getting the info on the universal mounting of the bumpers and it not being strong enough for winching. Have you looked at the way their bumpers actually mount? They are using a very robust crossmember across the frame rails that is probably stronger for winching than a large percentage of the bumpers out there. Even though TG isn't as catered to the overland crowd, I would suggest that the type of wheelers they do target are ones that are winching and getting themselves into difficult situations far more frequently, and their products support the needs of that group.
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Have you looked at the new innovative designs coming out of TG shops? Such as custom axle housings and hybrid axle diff setups? Sorry but TG is doing quite a bit more to innovate and drive the industry beyond just building bumpers and racks for expo trucks. I have nothing against AP and even have some of their products. They have some good ones for sure, and like you said a lot comes down to personal preference but your info regarding TG is uneducated and misleading to anyone who is considering options for their trucks.
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Again, I'm not trying to say that one company is better than another, they both offer a variety of excellent products, and bringing this all back to the original question about the front bumpers from either company, I find the TG bumper to be superior in design and aesthetic and function. There unfortunately is a residual reputation from over a decade ago that some people have not let go of with TG. It is a completely different company from what it was back then.

The discussion was about bumpers and sliders - in that instance, I challenge your statement that my information is inaccurate. As I caveated numerous times, my opinions are based on my bias and simply opinion, which is what the OP asked about.

As for reputation - unfortunately you are incorrect on when/where those reputation concerns have been raised. There is a large discussion on PBB now about the Longfield... for lack of a better term... situation.

So I'm not going to engage in your baiting for an argument - it's not fruitful.

 

[Box Rocket]

The discussion was about bumpers and sliders - in that instance, I challenge your statement that my information is inaccurate. As I caveated numerous times, my opinions are based on my bias and simply opinion, which is what the OP asked about.

As for reputation - unfortunately you are incorrect on when/where those reputation concerns have been raised. There is a large discussion on PBB now about the Longfield... for lack of a better term... situation.

So I'm not going to engage in your baiting for an argument - it's not fruitful.

Ok, so show me where and how the TG bumper is a copy of anyone elses. It is far more unique in its aesthetic and design than just about an of the other tube bumpers. Mounting as you pointed out is totally different than other ones out there. Design and layout of the tube is totally different. You still have no leg to stand on.
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Oh and sliders. How many companies offer tube sliders? TONS. And they all look pretty much the same. At best the only variation you get is a kickout. But how many companies offer a kickout slider? Tons. Did they copy AP? There's only so many ways to build a slider.
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As for the Longfields......what are you talking about? I'm familiar with the garbage going on on PBB. TG did not copy anything with the longfields unless you say their Dirty30 chromo birfs are a copy. Is it a copy to offer a similar product? That's like saying AllPro copied ARB by offering a plate bumper. Ridiculous. And with the Longfields....Bobby Long DIED! Would you rather than his product die with him? TG purchased the rights to the product and kept the Longfield name out of respect for Bobby so that the product could continue. Bobby's wife was not able to support the business in the way it needed to be which is why she sold it. Sounds to me like your just pissed that AP didn't get the Longfields.
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So challenge away....you're still inaccurate.

 

[Box Rocket]

And I'm not baiting you for sake of an argument. You don't have your facts straight plain and simple and I'm addressing those. Calling it baiting for an argument is like a liberal calling for tolerance of a different view on a social issue but can't accept that a conservative might not agree with abortions.

 

[JonB]

Ok, so show me where and how the TG bumper is a copy of anyone elses. It is far more unique in its aesthetic and design than just about an of the other tube bumpers. Mounting as you pointed out is totally different than other ones out there. Design and layout of the tube is totally different. You still have no leg to stand on.
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Oh and sliders. How many companies offer tube sliders? TONS. And they all look pretty much the same. At best the only variation you get is a kickout. But how many companies offer a kickout slider? Tons. Did they copy AP? There's only so many ways to build a slider.
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As for the Longfields......what are you talking about? I'm familiar with the garbage going on on PBB. TG did not copy anything with the longfields unless you say their Dirty30 chromo birfs are a copy. Is it a copy to offer a similar product? That's like saying AllPro copied ARB by offering a plate bumper. Ridiculous. And with the Longfields....Bobby Long DIED! Would you rather than his product die with him? TG purchased the rights to the product and kept the Longfield name out of respect for Bobby so that the product could continue. Bobby's wife was not able to support the business in the way it needed to be which is why she sold it. Sounds to me like your just pissed that AP didn't get the Longfields.
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So challenge away....you're still inaccurate.

Not wanting to get in the middle of your debate but just so you have the facts straight about the Longfields. At All-Pro we sell RCV axles, they are the company that made them for Longfield before he died. They are the company that helped Bobby Long build his reputation as the strongest Toyota axles on the planet. Trail gear disrespected the Longfield name IMHO by buying the rights to his name and slapping it on their Chinese dirty 30 axle. Trail gear did not buy the right to the product just the name. So actually you can get the US made RCV 300m Chromoly axles at All-Pro or many other RCV dealers, the only place you can't get them is Trail Gear!

 

[bkg]

And I'm not baiting you for sake of an argument. You don't have your facts straight plain and simple and I'm addressing those. Calling it baiting for an argument is like a liberal calling for tolerance of a different view on a social issue but can't accept that a conservative might not agree with abortions.

Again with the baiting. You can't even stay on topic of bumpers and sliders. My facts are straight, but hey, lets talk abortions and politics instead.

 

[bkg]

Ok, so show me where and how the TG bumper is a copy of anyone elses. It is far more unique in its aesthetic and design than just about an of the other tube bumpers. Mounting as you pointed out is totally different than other ones out there. Design and layout of the tube is totally different. You still have no leg to stand on.
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Oh and sliders. How many companies offer tube sliders? TONS. And they all look pretty much the same. At best the only variation you get is a kickout. But how many companies offer a kickout slider? Tons. Did they copy AP? There's only so many ways to build a slider.
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As for the Longfields......what are you talking about? I'm familiar with the garbage going on on PBB. TG did not copy anything with the longfields unless you say their Dirty30 chromo birfs are a copy. Is it a copy to offer a similar product? That's like saying AllPro copied ARB by offering a plate bumper. Ridiculous. And with the Longfields....Bobby Long DIED! Would you rather than his product die with him? TG purchased the rights to the product and kept the Longfield name out of respect for Bobby so that the product could continue. Bobby's wife was not able to support the business in the way it needed to be which is why she sold it. Sounds to me like your just pissed that AP didn't get the Longfields.
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So challenge away....you're still inaccurate.

Dear lord you are emotional. Where did I say their bumper was a copy? Ooops. Didn't. Pissed that AP didn't buy longfields? Dude - reread what I wrote and stop twisting everything into an attempt at an argument. Don't like my opinion? Fine. I don't really care. But damn, dude

 

[cr500taco]

Only have a TG front bumper. I built my own rear bumper. I bent my own lightbar on the front bumper too. The one TG offers isn't wide enough for 3 lights.
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Clearance is definitely better on the TG bumper over the AP one. It's also a personal preference but I really like the receiver tube on the TG front bumper. AP doesn't have that feature.

I forgot about the receiver tube on the TG bumper. I was contemplating on putting a winch on a receiver mount instead of mounting the winch on the bumper. That way I can use it on the front or rear.

 

[cr500taco]

Also, pics would be nice.

 

[Box Rocket]

Dear lord you are emotional. Where did I say their bumper was a copy? Ooops. Didn't. Pissed that AP didn't buy longfields? Dude - reread what I wrote and stop twisting everything into an attempt at an argument. Don't like my opinion? Fine. I don't really care. But damn, dude

There's nothing emotional about it. You seem to think I'm all fired up about something which I'm not. If you go back and read what you DID say, you said TG copies other designs and sells them for cheaper. I was staying on topic to talk about their bumpers since you said your statements were accurate. You brought up the idea of copying and selling for cheap in a thread about bumpers, and that that was part of your reason for choosing AP over TG. If you weren't talking about bumpers being copied and sold for cheap, then why did you bring it up? No reason to accuse me of going off topic when that's exactly what you're doing with these statements. If you're talking about sliders being copied then say so. But I stand by what I said about that too.
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Still there is no baiting, just a healthy discussion from my end. The comment about the abortions and politics was an example of taking offense when there was none intended in the first place, just a different point of view.
I don't have any problem with your opinion. I've said numerous times that I have no problem with AP and like a lot of their products. I just voiced my own opinion regarding TG products that was contrary to your opinion and apparently ruffled some feathers. If you think I'm twisting things, then state your issues clearly so there is no room for twisting. You've left your opinions vague enough that they are open for interpretation. If their misinterpreted, you need to be more specific.

I don't care to get in a pissing match between the two companies, there has been and probably will always be plenty of animosity. From my end it's all healthy competition that drives for the improvement of the products offered. As a consumer that's a win.

 

[cr500taco]

BKQ... FYI, when I first read your first post, I also understood that you were saying TG made copies and sells them cheaper.

I started this thread to get input about both products, because I like the looks of both TG and AP, but wondering which is preferred and why, so all opinions and input are welcome and educational.

 

[RememberTheFallen]

Geez cr500taco, way to start a fight! Lol.

You will be happy with either one. I have both companies products. I do like talking to the guys at All Pro though. They are pretty helpful. If I was a super strict budget then I would look at TG, if not then probably All Pro.

 

[bkg]

BKQ... FYI, when I first read your first post, I also understood that you were saying TG made copies and sells them cheaper.

I started this thread to get input about both products, because I like the looks of both TG and AP, but wondering which is preferred and why, so all opinions and input are welcome and educational.

Please reread what I wrote, though: "not impressed with the business model that some people liken to essentially copying designs and selling cheaper."

I stated clearly that these were my opinions and my personal bias. Not sure why people are having such an issue with that.