Trailers

coastsider

Adventurer
Happy with my Horizon AT

I would probably just add a Carbon Air Top RTT (which I'm already saving for) and upgrade a few components (which I'm constantly doing anyway) apart from that I'm happy with what I have!:coffeedrink:
 

JPK

Explorer
I thought about a KK but rejected it since its just so darn heavy and would require more than my Hemi powered JKU to tow. Once I'm out of the JKU then I'm out of many of the places I would want to take a trailer.

{Really, I think the minimum dream trailer kit out is TWO trailers. One for many but not all places off road and one for the rest, where the "home away from home" can't get to.}

So, with room for only one and with no interest in two I've decided to built the one that will go "anywhere" my Jeep could go. I'm having a tear drop built right now that will be my dream trailer for what I want to use it for, not quite what I would want for easier access places but more than enough for everything, from dead hot summer and including winter duty.

This tear drop is being built by Moby 1 Trailer and will feature a real 60"w x 80"l queen size bed inside, with storage to the rear, 12v and both shore power and inverter 120v outlets for charging, etc, a stereo with interior and exterior speakers, a shelf for a computer which will also handle DVD duties. At the rear a good kitchen set up with a three burner Partner stove hard plumbed, SA style utensil and dinner wear storage, a 60qt Engel fridge and freezer combination unit (two compartment.) Some storage.

The tear will have 40gals of water storage, skid plates for the tank(s?), pressure water, instant hot built in and a mixer for temp control to an AT type QD shower/sprayer combo.

One or maybe two 20lb propane tank storage, one hard plumbed in (20lb tanks since they are ubiquitous and exchangable,) A Propex propane heater built in and hard plumbed. A 120v 5000btu A/C will be installed as well.

There will be two front storage boxes, one larger and taller which will hold two group 31 batteries with shorepower charger, 80w solar charger and tow vehicle charging, with switching/isolator and one way diode to prevent tow vehicle battery discharge. The batteries will be at the bottom of the box with a removable top/floor on top so that a second level of gear can be stowed. The second level will include a Honda or Yamaha generator probably the Honda 1000, which should be enough to start the A/C which has a low power start up feature, if not then a 2000, and the second level will also include a propane grill which can "plug into" the gas system or use 1lb tanks.

The trailer will also cary two 20l MFC's for the genny/Jeep (but my JKU carries and extra 18gals in a Long Ranger auxiiary fuel tank.)

The tear will have a Front Runner style roof rack and will cary a Hannibal 1.6m RTT with their "Jumbo Tourer" feature which adds a longer fly to make ladder entry under cover and which also provides a four sided room with a floor. A custom done extra door will be cut into the trailer side tent wall to match the trailer door. On the other side will be a Hannibal 2.4m awning with their encosure with a fourth side and another door to accomodate the tear door.

The trailer suspension will be coils and shocks, wheels will be AEV's argent Pintlers to match my Jeep and tires will be BFG 37's to also match my Jeep. Ground clearance will be around 22". The trailer will have a receiver tongue and I'll start with the tried and true pintle hook/rotating lunnette combination. It will also have electric brakes with a parking brake, a landing gear/wheel and two rear stabilizers. Pintle height is expected to be 26".

One additional important feature will be Partner Steel Company's Jon-ny Partner head, to keep the wife happy - its totally sealble for rough country travel, even when "loaded." here's a photo:
JONNY2_L1.jpg


The trailer is under construction now and probably(?) will be on display at the EXPO show, will definitely be on display or at least in the parking lot at Easter Jeep Safari in Moab, which is where I'm picking it up.

Should be great fun for the family this summer!

JPK
 

jdholder

Explorer
I would get one of the Campa All Terrain Trailer (ATT). It is solid built (Stainless steel) construction.
http://www.campausa.com/
Having see them in use in many rough terrain locations they are wonderful. Far better then the ones I have had.

I think they would take way too long to setup. But I guess it's all "how" you camp. I tend to move every night, so setup is an issue.

Cool otherwise though.
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
I thought about a KK but rejected it since its just so darn heavy and would require more than my Hemi powered JKU to tow. Once I'm out of the JKU then I'm out of many of the places I would want to take a trailer.snip...

JPK

Sounds like you are having a very nice trailer built and I look forward to seeing it someday.

I'm surprised you rejected a KK because your Hemi JK would not be enough. My V8 4Runner (geared) pulls my KK very well.
 

willyswagon

Adventurer
No matter how much $$ we had I still come back to what we have, CDN M101.
It carries everything we need, is lite, hides away in behind the Jeep while on the hiway( better mpg), the RTT on it can be backed away in 2 min, and I'm off to the next adventure.

I think it really depends on how you use a trailer to decide what is best for each user.

We pull up stakes every day so ease of set up/tear down is one of the most impotartant factors for us.

So for the next several years this is my all the $$$ in the world choice. The only change I have made is to put the Colmubus on the trailer to improve the mpg.
The Maggiolina is a smaller tent and creates less wind resistance.


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compactcamping

Explorer
Pat, let's just say I don't see importing them in our future, but there could be Tvan / Grasshopper inspired compact camper design show up in the future.
 

JPK

Explorer
Sounds like you are having a very nice trailer built and I look forward to seeing it someday.

I'm surprised you rejected a KK because your Hemi JK would not be enough. My V8 4Runner (geared) pulls my KK very well.

Redline,

I'm actually suprised to hear that. How's the combo handle in the mountains and off road? I'm running 4.88's and 37's so gearing would be ok, and I wasn't worried about power, I just chickened out on the tongue and total weight.

With a dry weight of 3200lbs for the KK and an estimated loaded wight of ~4200-4500lbs I figured I would be out of the league of my JKU and turning to my Suburban.

If Kimberly would set up a dealership here we could test drive them with our rigs! If it had worked well on and off road behind my Jeep I would have jumped on one. Gotta love the Kimberly features, including the fuel cell!

JPK
 
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Tucson T4R

Expedition Leader
Redline,

I'm actually suprised to hear that. How's the combo handle in the mountains and off road? I'm running 4.88's and 37's so gearing would be ok, and I wasn't worried about power, I just chickened out on the tongue and total weight.

With a dry weight of 3200lbs for the KK and an estimated loaded wight of ~4200-4500lbs I figured I would be out of the league of my JKU and turning to my Suburban.

If Kimberly would set up a dealership here we could test drive them with our rigs! If it had worked well on and off road behind my Jeep I would have jumped on one. Gotta love the Kimberly features, including the fuel cell!

JPK

The weight numbers you reference seem pretty high. The dry weight for mine is about 2200 LBS with a tongue weight around 220 lbs. If loaded properly the tongue weight doesn't go up much (about10-15% of the added load).

I also tow mine with a V8 4Runner with no problems.
 

Redline

Likes to Drive and Ride
Redline,

I'm actually suprised to hear that. How's the combo handle in the mountains and off road? snip....

JPK


You have some valid points and concerns JPK. My Toyota is running 4.88s with only 33" tires so there is one large difference in our overall final drive ratio.

My set-up drives well everywhere (so far) which was one of the goals of my build. That said it's not a JK on 37s which is a different animal. My crawl-ratio is a very respectable 44.0:1, first gear is a short 3.52:1. Mountain and high altitude driving is good, with or without the trailer, but again I have plenty of gearing with 4.88s and 33s.

Depending on the model of KK and how it's loaded the tongue weight can be high. Tucson T4R has a different model than I, and my friend who has the identical trailer doesn't put as much weight in his nose box as I. With my MT60 Engel in the front and, food, extra water/fuel, my KK tongue weight has been 400-lb on a truck scale. I've started to experiment with putting my refer inside the car which changes things. 400-lb is a sizable tongue weight for some cars but having adjustable auxiliary air springs in the rear make it work well.

Dry weight for my KK was 2k, loaded I've had it up to 3k, but I had my Chaser up to 2,500-lb.

KK does offer some really nice trailers and features, but they cost. Tvan also looks nice. Lots of choices in Australia, very few here, hope this changes in the future.
 

Tucson T4R

Expedition Leader
My tongue weight was a total guess based on the KK website. I have never actually put mine on a scale. I bet with all the glamper stuff I carry in the gull wing my tongue weight is probably much higher.

When I load up the top with firewood or other heavy stuff I try to keep it centered over the axle as much as possible.

Maybe I should get off my butt and go find a scale to verify. :elkgrin:
 

JPK

Explorer
I think I have discovered the source of mismatching weights and confusion. I was writing about the Kimberly Karavan. I'm thinking you all are discussing the Kamper?

The dry weight I listed is right off the Kimberly site.

BTW, I LOVE the Kamper and thought long and hard about going that route as well.

What got me about the teardrop was the unique "no set up" opprtunity for when I'm alone or with my son. Stop Jeep, turn off iginition, get out, brush teeth, climb into the teardrop, change into PJ's and go to sleep.

In fact, many of the details regarding my trailer are designed so that there are steps of required set up ranging from "no set up" to full blown base camp set up depending on the situation and use/users. For example, I selected the great but expensive Hannibal awning because deploying the awning is very quick and simple and takes no poles or guy ropes. For overnighting with the family, the RTT will be deployed but the added room below need not be set up. Find a little Paradise? Set up the awning and its extra room, the RTT and its extra room, take the tables from under the roof rack (see an example of under rack table storage similar to what I'll have at Front Runner,) get out the grill, take the chairs off the roof rack...

JPK
 

Tucson T4R

Expedition Leader
Yep, that would be the difference and your right we did talk about the dream of owning the Karvan earlier in this thread. :sombrero:

I agree on the set up. especially in harsh weather the set up can be extensive enough that you don't want to move the base camp frequently.

Having a quick set up fully contained unit will be my long term goal. For now, I'll live with a bit of set up ans stay put. :elkgrin:

PS. I would still feel comfortable towing the Karvan with my 4Runner. The 4runner has 6000lb tow capacity rating.
 

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