What heater is in the XV-JP?

tjsean0308

New member
Webasto?

Has anyone used a Webasto unit? We have them on our high speed small boats and they work great. Remote thermostaticlly controlled, self igniting and quite compact. They actually shut down when the thermostat is statisfied so less fan run time and I can confirm that at least ours are super easy on fuel. Wondering if that has been others experiences as well.
 

cellularsteve2

Adventurer
For well over a year I have been considering a Webasto or Espar gasoline model. Not too many out there it seems.

I have a one year old baby and have been concerned with safety. Not the venting, just the fact that it is gasoline and more combustible than diesel. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
 

Jim K in PA

Adventurer
Don't mean to intrude, but I have been looking at a variety of options for heating my Jeep LJ and whatever camping option I wind up with. I have settled on an Espar B5, which is a gasoline fired HYDRONIC heater, not a forced air heater. This unit will be set up to heat the engine coolant, as well as a circuit supplying hot water to a heat exchanger at the back of the Jeep and/or a remote HX up in a RTT. It will also be used to heat drinking water for washing/showers. The unit will be mounted under the battery tray with the pump(s) remote mounted. I will have S&R manifolds and simple remote actuated heater valves (mechanical) to route hot water where I want/need it. The unit will cost ~$1700, plus my installation time/skills and some locally sourced hardware.

I mention the B5 because it is the only gasoline fired hydronic heater available now, as Webasto has apparently discontinued their gasoline fired hydronic model. Hydronic heating system design and fabrication is a bit more involved than hot air, but affords the same or better flexibility in distribution of the heat generated.

Cellularsteve - As to safety of gasoline versus diesel, yes, diesel fuel has a higher flash point temp than gasoline as well as much higher vapor pressure. However, diesel fuel will still burn, so depending on the risk you are concerned about, I do not think the differences between the fuels should drive your decision over which to use (including propane options). I have a gasoline powered vehicle, and I would prefer to not carry propane cannisters if I can achieve my needs with the fuel type I have on board. I can also cook with gasoline as well as light my campsite, so that is what I have chosen to standardize on.

Hope this helps.
 

mhiscox

Exp. Leader Emeritus
I have a one year old baby and have been concerned with safety. Not the venting, just the fact that it is gasoline and more combustible than diesel. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
My feeling is that the biggest safety advantage comes from having the fuel drawn out of the factory-installed fuel tank connected to the factory fill and plumbing. If you have a diesel truck, a diesel heater would be a no-brainer vs. petrol; if you have a petrol truck, seems to me that you're better off with a gasoline heater than with a separate diesel heater, tank and plumbing.

FWIW, I'll point out that there are several reasons not to use propane (especially if overlanding abroad), but that safety needn't be one of them. By following the appropriate practices and by isolating the cylinder from the living quarters (either by putting it "outside" or in a vaporproof locker), propane can be as safe as liquid fuels and it is widely used in the more rigorous marine environment.
 

cellularsteve2

Adventurer
Thanks Jim and Mike. I met a guy this weekend who felt the same way about tapping into the main tank being the best option. It turns out my transferflow tank has an extra intake that is capped off so it should be a pretty easy install without dropping the tank. I think I am ready to pull the trigger on the gas (i.e. petrol) version of the Espar.

Anyone know of a dealer to go through?

thanks again guys.

steve
 

mhiscox

Exp. Leader Emeritus

cellularsteve2

Adventurer
I am going to do the install myself with some help from someone I recently met who did one in his van. I will check out Espar of Michigan. Figured I would get prices from a few places since this is a big ticket item.

thanks again!
 

McZippie

Walmart Adventure Camper
I am going to do the install myself with some help from someone I recently met who did one in his van. I will check out Espar of Michigan. Figured I would get prices from a few places since this is a big ticket item.

thanks again!

I'd consider purchasing from Espar Of Michigan. Seems like they have the most parts available and experience. They did the install in my Rig. Talk with Ray.
It was -5 F yesterday, so I turned the Espar on, to see how it'd do. After about a half an hour it was 80+ F ... had to turn it way down.

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dzzz

Personally I wouldn't use a gasoline heater if it had to be place in the actual living quarter. Not long enough on the market.
I don't have a problem with ventless propane. But only because it has a track record of only killing careless people.
 

McZippie

Walmart Adventure Camper
Personally I wouldn't use a gasoline heater if it had to be place in the actual living quarter. Not long enough on the market.
I don't have a problem with ventless propane. But only because it has a track record of only killing careless people.

I agree, with my Espar Diesel heater I leave a window cracked and have 2 detectors. BTW I had a gasoline heater in a '63 VW van. It made the same jet engine exhaust noise as my new Espar.
 

cellularsteve2

Adventurer
Personally I wouldn't use a gasoline heater if it had to be place in the actual living quarter. Not long enough on the market.

Is your concern about venting, which would be same concern as the Diesel version--or is that gasoline is more combustible?
 

cellularsteve2

Adventurer
I agree, with my Espar Diesel heater I leave a window cracked and have 2 detectors. BTW I had a gasoline heater in a '63 VW van. It made the same jet engine exhaust noise as my new Espar.

So you are concerned about venting apparently? not combustibility of gasoline?
 

McZippie

Walmart Adventure Camper
So you are concerned about venting apparently? not combustibility of gasoline?

Main concern is about carbon monoxide poisoning. Even though I got a detector I crack a window too.

My Espar is a diesel and I worry about it blowing up and burning down my Rig, about as much as I worry about my house furnace doing likewise. Hopefully while I sleep blissfully away and if it started a fire, the smoke alarm will go off before I'm dead.

I'd have the same concerns if it was gasoline powered.
 

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