MuddyMudskipper
Camp Ninja
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Wheels???
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Z O O R O P A
Explorer
what is the benefit of steel other than alloy, just being soft?
why can you fix a flat with steel and not alloy?
I've been using Cooper Discoverer tires in the New England winter and some off road and love them on 18s. They only cost 110$ and are super tough
Before that I was using a "wild spirit" mud tire that cost $90-100 a tire, I'll try and find them again but you don't need to drop big bucks for good tires of any size
when in mud and snow I found the wider the tire the more traction I had. My 18s beat my 16s in bad conditions
both of the above are great on road and off road
if it's any consolation I read on lonewolf's website on one of his adventures in Mexico all the other drivers used were Cooper Discoverers
why can you fix a flat with steel and not alloy?
I've been using Cooper Discoverer tires in the New England winter and some off road and love them on 18s. They only cost 110$ and are super tough
Before that I was using a "wild spirit" mud tire that cost $90-100 a tire, I'll try and find them again but you don't need to drop big bucks for good tires of any size
when in mud and snow I found the wider the tire the more traction I had. My 18s beat my 16s in bad conditions
both of the above are great on road and off road
if it's any consolation I read on lonewolf's website on one of his adventures in Mexico all the other drivers used were Cooper Discoverers
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SpeedAgent
Adventurer
Wild Spirit
Can you give me some more details on those "Wild Spirit" tires? I'm trying to find a retailer near me or online. Coming up a little short. You had those in an 18" size?
Thanks,
Chris
Can you give me some more details on those "Wild Spirit" tires? I'm trying to find a retailer near me or online. Coming up a little short. You had those in an 18" size?
Thanks,
Chris
Desertoutpost
Adventurer
Z O O R O P A said:
ZOO~
I think the (not mine) arguement is a steel wheel can be bashed back into shape on the trail if it gets bent, an alloy wheel does not bend, it breaks. Although an alloy wheel can be fixed, trail side is not an option. The other argument is, the likelyhood of actually breaking one rime, then switching it out with spare and breaking another.
I did break two alloy's but it was not offroad and they both still held air, for awhile. I was run off the road by a cab and while sliding sideways I hit a 10 inch tall curb, the good side is if I had steels they would have bent and sent me tumbling I'm sure, where the alloy just broke off and I stayed mostly level.
For me I wanted black steel for a couple reasons...
1. Field/middle of nowhere fixable.
2. Non discript, no bling, no attention while traveling (Mexico).
3. If wheel gets scratched, I can rapaint.
4. More tire options, here and middle of nowhere.
5. Tire options, typically less expensive.
6. I like the back spacing better than stock.
7. I like them because my Disco does not have the same rims as the Moms mall suv!
Z O O R O P A
Explorer
ah hah thanks guys, I see the attraction
Here is a review of the tires I have used and love. They are made of hard rubber but not to hard which gives them great durability as I have tested them on rocks, snow, and mud. They are soft enough to grab well but hard enough to last thousand of miles with minimal noise - great for curb rash too
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ages?q=wild+spirit+snow+tires&um=1&hl=en&sa=N
"The TXR II's are made by Multi Mile tire and sold under several names, including Wild Spirit and Wild Country. In the west, they're sold by Les Schwab tire stores and in the east, primarily by local tire shops. What initially got me interested in the tires is their appearance. The tough looking sidewall is combined with a tread that's a cross between an A/T and an M/T tire"
I love this site lol it is so great having these conversations and comparisons with intelligent and polite people
pics amigos - they are cheap and tough
Here is a review of the tires I have used and love. They are made of hard rubber but not to hard which gives them great durability as I have tested them on rocks, snow, and mud. They are soft enough to grab well but hard enough to last thousand of miles with minimal noise - great for curb rash too
http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ages?q=wild+spirit+snow+tires&um=1&hl=en&sa=N
"The TXR II's are made by Multi Mile tire and sold under several names, including Wild Spirit and Wild Country. In the west, they're sold by Les Schwab tire stores and in the east, primarily by local tire shops. What initially got me interested in the tires is their appearance. The tough looking sidewall is combined with a tread that's a cross between an A/T and an M/T tire"
I love this site lol it is so great having these conversations and comparisons with intelligent and polite people
pics amigos - they are cheap and tough
SpeedAgent
Adventurer
Tires
Are those 285's? I guess I'm on a quest to find a local shop that sells these tires. I'm in the east and I have been unable to find a shop noted online as selling these.
Thanks,
Chris
Are those 285's? I guess I'm on a quest to find a local shop that sells these tires. I'm in the east and I have been unable to find a shop noted online as selling these.
Thanks,
Chris
Z O O R O P A
Explorer
Chris,
I bought mine form a VERY small shop and just happened to find them while I was flipping through their book of tires. I'm headed down that way today I think so tonight I'll try and get some info for you - I'm sure I can help you out with locating some or if worse comes to worse just buy from this place I got them from and ship them. I'll stop there today and get a updated price. I paid 90$ a tire last time but I'm sure they are more now
Check out Cooper Discoverer tires as well for 18s - not exactly BFG Mud Terrains but they do nicely, are cheap, tough, and great on the road
I bought mine form a VERY small shop and just happened to find them while I was flipping through their book of tires. I'm headed down that way today I think so tonight I'll try and get some info for you - I'm sure I can help you out with locating some or if worse comes to worse just buy from this place I got them from and ship them. I'll stop there today and get a updated price. I paid 90$ a tire last time but I'm sure they are more now
Check out Cooper Discoverer tires as well for 18s - not exactly BFG Mud Terrains but they do nicely, are cheap, tough, and great on the road
SpeedAgent
Adventurer
Thanks!
Thanks, I really appreciate that. I have been browsing the Cooper lineup, but not finding much in that price range that isn't a touring or highway type tire. Is there a particular model you have had good experience with?
Chris
Thanks, I really appreciate that. I have been browsing the Cooper lineup, but not finding much in that price range that isn't a touring or highway type tire. Is there a particular model you have had good experience with?
Chris
Z O O R O P A
Explorer
Hey Chris,
I tracked down the place and called them up. According to the salesman, they no longer make those tires but I'm going to do some more research. He said at first that they didn't make them then said he was unsure but he was unable to get them any more.
Here is the tread on the Discoverer, it should run you $120.00 a tire
http://www.northerntire.com/discovererSTT2_big.jpg that is a google find no relation to me & I don't sell tires or anything else other than services in the world of Autism just so we are clear lol
certainly worth the consideration at that price. I'll keep looking for the wild spirit but I liked the Coopers just as much. Cooper is famous for copying popular treads then using a different base of rubber to keep the cost low. The drawback is the tires are made of tough rubber like the Wild Spirits. Most cars handle better with softer tires which don't last nearly as long such as Nokias etc which cost twice the price and are a bit of a waste in my opinion
I tracked down the place and called them up. According to the salesman, they no longer make those tires but I'm going to do some more research. He said at first that they didn't make them then said he was unsure but he was unable to get them any more.
Here is the tread on the Discoverer, it should run you $120.00 a tire
http://www.northerntire.com/discovererSTT2_big.jpg that is a google find no relation to me & I don't sell tires or anything else other than services in the world of Autism just so we are clear lol
certainly worth the consideration at that price. I'll keep looking for the wild spirit but I liked the Coopers just as much. Cooper is famous for copying popular treads then using a different base of rubber to keep the cost low. The drawback is the tires are made of tough rubber like the Wild Spirits. Most cars handle better with softer tires which don't last nearly as long such as Nokias etc which cost twice the price and are a bit of a waste in my opinion
SpeedAgent
Adventurer
Stt
I have been looking at those for a while, but I can't find any STT's in that price range. I originally saw them on a D90 in a Cooper ad and wanted to get a set, but financially I'm not in the market for them right now.
Thanks for giving those guys a call. I saw their website earlier while browsing around.
Chris
I have been looking at those for a while, but I can't find any STT's in that price range. I originally saw them on a D90 in a Cooper ad and wanted to get a set, but financially I'm not in the market for them right now.
Thanks for giving those guys a call. I saw their website earlier while browsing around.
Chris
R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
FWIW, I got lucky and found a guy with a RR with 16's who traded me for my 18's, and he gave me $600 to boot. Mind you, I had basically brand new tires on them, and the tires I was getting on th e16's were crap.
Fair deal all round.
You could try posting for a trade on some of the LR forums and you might get lucky.
Fair deal all round.
You could try posting for a trade on some of the LR forums and you might get lucky.
FourByLand
Expedition Leader
Camaro rims
16'' alloyshttp://www.discoweb.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35570&d=1210643526
16'' alloyshttp://www.discoweb.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=35570&d=1210643526
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ntsqd
Heretic Car Camper
FWIW, the great "Steel vs. Alloy Wheels" debate:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=719
Also fwiw, I have beat both alloy and steel wheels back into shape. I think the idea that alloy wheels are brittle stems from early aftermarket cast alloy wheels. For extreme uses (bonzaiing the Hammers etc.) or third world locations I'd go with steel. The rest of the time those advantages aren't worth their weight.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=719
Also fwiw, I have beat both alloy and steel wheels back into shape. I think the idea that alloy wheels are brittle stems from early aftermarket cast alloy wheels. For extreme uses (bonzaiing the Hammers etc.) or third world locations I'd go with steel. The rest of the time those advantages aren't worth their weight.
