HJZ79 in the U.S.?

David Harris

Expedition Leader
I mean, like, you can never sell a small diesel car in the U.S. What the heck was VW thinking trying to sell a diesel Jetta. I bet they haven't sold one all year.

They actually sell relatively few. . . I'm sure if VW felt they could sell more, then they would import more. People must be going for the gas powered ones instead. I can't think of a small diesel that has really done well here in the U.S. Isuzu brought small diesel trucks and SUV's over in the 1980's and never sold many. Same with VW. Even diesel powered light trucks are in the small minority of truck sales. Only in the medium and heavy markets do diesels rule. Consumers rule the market . . .
 

Clutch

<---Pass
They actually sell relatively few. . . I'm sure if VW felt they could sell more, then they would import more. People must be going for the gas powered ones instead. I can't think of a small diesel that has really done well here in the U.S. Isuzu brought small diesel trucks and SUV's over in the 1980's and never sold many. Same with VW. Even diesel powered light trucks are in the small minority of truck sales. Only in the medium and heavy markets do diesels rule.

VW total vehicle sales for 2011: 324,402 which 21.6% were TDI's....according to my fuzzy math is 70,070 diesels sold across the entire model line.

http://media.vw.com/newsrelease.do;...ts-26.3-percent-increase-2011-u.s-sales&mid=1

Ford sold 584,917 F-Series for 2011....and 2,062,915 vehicles total.

http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=35785

Consumers rule the market . . .

LOL, why yes they do...
 

Navman

Adventurer
camparing just about any vehicle to the F-series isn't a fair comparison.

21.6% were TDIs? That much revenue is significant for any business. Right or wrong, someone who recently bought one told me VW is sell everything they are able to import.

I recently went to an event where VW was a tltle sponsor and they sent out a survey afterwards and they asked questions about diesels. Sounded to me like they are interested in bringing in even more models. The planned diesel Passat Suburu killer should be a big seller for them.

My perspective may be a little skewed however. Out here in Silicon Valley the Prius is more common than a pickup truck.
 

haven

Expedition Leader
Got that right. I drove by a Toyota dealer in San Bruno. they had 12 Prius out front, one 4runner, and two 2wd Tacoma stripped work trucks. No Sequoias, no Tundras.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
camparing just about any vehicle to the F-series isn't a fair comparison.

21.6% were TDIs? That much revenue is significant for any business. Right or wrong, someone who recently bought one told me VW is sell everything they are able to import.

I recently went to an event where VW was a tltle sponsor and they sent out a survey afterwards and they asked questions about diesels. Sounded to me like they are interested in bringing in even more models. The planned diesel Passat Suburu killer should be a big seller for them.

My perspective may be a little skewed however. Out here in Silicon Valley the Prius is more common than a pickup truck.

Oh, just comparing that Joe Average American consumer buys more F-Series than they do anything else. (sure some of those numbers are fleet vehicles)
At least in the Southwest... I see more street queen 1/2 ton American trucks than anything else...funny thing most guys who drive them are Mexican...heck I think
Mexicans are more American than Americans....beer of choice is a Bud product...(getting off track...LOL)


...anyway....that is my comparison, why we aren't going to see a diesel Toyota anything...any time real soon, if at all.

As I implied earlier...small diesels are a niche market here in the US, not saying no one wants them, people do...it is just a small number of people.
Myself included, I go back and forth if a small diesel is worth it. Maybe if I could buy a brand new LC70, (extra-cab, since I am already dreaming:ylsmoke:) knowing that it would probably be my last vehicle (evar!), heck it might be still going after I am long gone. Perhaps then, I would fork over the cash.

Yes, 21.6% of all the vehicles sold by a company is great. Compared to Ford...VW as a whole is a niche.

I just wonder if all the effort is going to be moot, since there seems to be a crack down on diesel vehicles here...California especially. Are diesels going the way of the cigarette? A member from another forumthat is in the drilling industry was saying they can't get new diesel motors for their rigs because no-one builds a stand alone engine that meets CARB regulations.

If BMW, Mercedes, VW, Audi (and soon to be Ford) can bring small diesels here...why can't Toyota?
 
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Well saw a commercail today and first thing I thought besides cool was of this thread. Anyway I saw a commercail for a diesel bmw suv so I quess that shows all the na sayers about diesel there is a market, and there are companies willing to bring them in.
 

trump

Adventurist
LOL...you're welcome!

That body, diesel, 5 speed, on coil sprung portals...think about it....

Ha ha.....

Nice ideas for a dream build... Somebody needs to make it happen.

I'm actually surprised with the pricing on that site. It actually seems reasonable for what is offered; of course everything else you would need would add up quick. I dreamed of seeing a Toyota built long bed crew cab cruiser, but agree with you now that I see that concept drawing. It does not seem as beautiful as I had imagined it would be.
 

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