Help - Confused about lifts

JJBiggs

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Howdy...

With all the products out there, I am a tad confused on which lift to shoot for. I realize much has to do with what will be on the Jeep. So here is my list and how high I would like for a lift:

- 2012 Jeep JKU
- ARB deluxe front bumper with winch
- LOD rock rails - weigh in at 160# total
- planning on going after an Ursa Minor pop top - weight is around 200#
- also plan on another 100-150# in gear (fridge, kitchen gear, etc.)
- 33" tires so planning on a 2.5" lift (will this be enough?)

Was considering AEV Dualsport suspension with correction brackets. Others have mentioned Rock Krawler and Teraflex. The others have much nicer price points versus AEV. But the comments regarding the ride with AEV has me leaning their way. With the extra weight, will beefier springs be needed?

Thank for the insight.

Chad
 

Bigjerm

SE Expedition Society
2.5" is enough to fit 35's with a little rub so it will for sure clear 33's (stock height rubicons come on 32's). Yes I would make sure your lift has the progressive rate springs or whatever the new fancy word is. They are meant to handle the weight of expected bolt ons. Just don't skimp on shocks, thats where your nice ride comes in. I replaced my super cheap pro comp shocks with Old Man Emu shocks and the difference was ridiculous.


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daveh

Adventurer
I am running the 2.5" AEV kit on a 2012 JKUR. Not only is it designed to handle the weight you mentioned but it also inproves the jeeps handling on and off road. 33" tires will rub slightly with stock wheels. Add a set of wheels from AEV or with the same offset as the AEV wheels with the 33's or even 35's and you will be ok.
 

JJBiggs

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I am running the 2.5" AEV kit on a 2012 JKUR. Not only is it designed to handle the weight you mentioned but it also inproves the jeeps handling on and off road. 33" tires will rub slightly with stock wheels. Add a set of wheels from AEV or with the same offset as the AEV wheels with the 33's or even 35's and you will be ok.


Excellent - thanks Dave. This is what I was hoping to hear about the AEV lift.

C.
 

goldenbeagle

Adventurer
If I may...just a small piece of advice.

Take a piece of paper and write down all the “honest” future trips you have planned. Then take and write down the average amount of trips you take in a year. Also, write down your honest opinion of how much you will actually use the vehicle for outdoor travel and also add in the terrain you will most frequently find yourself in.

I say this for one reason….every day I pass a heavily modified off-road rig in my journeys to and from work. I see a lot of Jeeps built to the hilt…and then those that are only slightly modified. Most of the Jeeps that I see that are maxed out with every high dollar piece of equipment don't even have a nick on them or a trace of dirt or mud. I notice more that the less modified minor budget Jeeps have signs of abuse…signs that they get out and do the do.

Furthermore, when I got my first TJ I spent countless hours drooling over pics, drooling over possibilities, etc. Then when it came time to purchase I called a buddy of mine who has been on the Ultimate Adventure trips twice, crawls professionally, has sponsors, etc. He laughed at me on the phone and said bring the Jeep by and lets talk. My trip out to see him was the best thing I could have done. He has a stock-ish TJ on 33's with a small lift, a little protection, etc….I was shown videos and photos of where he had driven and wheeled this Jeep. He showed me every high dollar part he had laying on the shelf and compared them with the match of every mid dollar part he had also on the shelf. I got a real lesson in what was out there on the market. One of the big lessons I got was tire selection. Tires where at the top of his list…then lift options…then protection….then the bedazzle crap that could be added.

I ended up calling him on every item I was about to purchase. I am glad I did, because in the end I did not waste a fortune. So as a little advice…spend wisely and check out my thoughts below.

AEV – they are a great company but expensive. If I was gonna take a real “expedition” (a word that gets thrown around on this site like crazy)…I would purchase their stuff. I would trust that with their research they have designed good stuff.

Rough Country – great products, great customer service, great all around. (I purchased a 3in lift from them and I have beat the crap out it. I stand by their products…wouldn't use there stuff to Antarctica and back, but for the planned trips into the back of the unknown…they work perfect an perform just like the other companies).

BFG – Tires, Tires Tires….everyone who owns a Jeep has the dream of rolling tall and getting noticed. People will say, “no I'm not into the big tire thing”…that is BS. Lets face it …big is sweet looking. But big tires brings on big changes to ensure the rig can handle them. Your choice of 33's is spot on…but as another guy said, you're going to have some rub without a wheel spacer or new set of rims. With that said…AEV rims are pretty darn expensive. They look cool….so that is completely up to the owner. When you think tire selection…I was once told, “if you like overlanding, camping, travel, etc…buy a good tire that you can run into town and purchase if you are on a trip and end up needing a replacement”. BFG's have lasted the test of time in the off-road community because of their durability and accessibility. AT or KM2 can be found at dozens of places throughout the US.

Bumpers, rock gaurds, etc – buy what you like. I like the midrange or custom built stuff. One thing that speaks to me is …”if I break it…will I pay the money to buy it again.” If the answer is no to that question, I usually buy something a little less expensive because I know its more of a “I want to show off that I have this brand”.

Final thoughts – Anybody who has been around Jeeps and beat them up will tell you one thing. “People who say their Jeep drives like a dream are either liars or they have not used their rig for what they built it for”. Jeeps are a square on wheels. When they are lifted they ride a little harder from time to time. When they are beat on…new noises and such come and go. But that's Jeeps…the looks might change…but the base is still a Jeep.

Don't be the guy I see at Sears all the time….He has a 4dr JK with every AEV add-on, every upgrade, and the poor Jeep has never seen anything but the highway on the weekend and a KOA campsite. He could have spent half the money and used the other half to fund a cruise to Alaska and backpacked in Denali…later posting photo's of how “expedition minded he is”. He is also the guy that once told me, “why do you have a tow rope and recovery gear strapped to your hood? Don't you know you're gonna ruin the hood?” Of course I know its f-ing up the paint…but it gets used…all the time and I don't have to dig for it and by Jeep was built for my lifestyle.

Build the Jeep for what you are going to use it for. Any money you can save can be thrown into a nice trip. As you get more comfortable and more daring in your travels…upgrade parts and sell the old on CL or here on the forum. Dream big.........but dream less on how cool your gonna look pulling up to the local REI and people think you're a real outdoorsman.

Last but not least please don't take my words and confuse them with me being a D bag Jeep know it all. I just want to see fellow outdoorsman get out and about and not be persuaded by the “my rig looks so cool” bug. Don't buy into all the hype. But…and I say BUT….if you got the coin to do the do and live the dream…by all means build it, post it, let us drool.

Good luck….I see your in PA, hope to maybe see you around the mountains some day!
 

jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
If I may...just a small piece of advice.

Take a piece of paper and write down all the “honest” future trips you have planned. Then take and write down the average amount of trips you take in a year. Also, write down your honest opinion of how much you will actually use the vehicle for outdoor travel and also add in the terrain you will most frequently find yourself in.

I say this for one reason….every day I pass a heavily modified off-road rig in my journeys to and from work. I see a lot of Jeeps built to the hilt…and then those that are only slightly modified. Most of the Jeeps that I see that are maxed out with every high dollar piece of equipment don't even have a nick on them or a trace of dirt or mud. I notice more that the less modified minor budget Jeeps have signs of abuse…signs that they get out and do the do.

Furthermore, when I got my first TJ I spent countless hours drooling over pics, drooling over possibilities, etc. Then when it came time to purchase I called a buddy of mine who has been on the Ultimate Adventure trips twice, crawls professionally, has sponsors, etc. He laughed at me on the phone and said bring the Jeep by and lets talk. My trip out to see him was the best thing I could have done. He has a stock-ish TJ on 33's with a small lift, a little protection, etc….I was shown videos and photos of where he had driven and wheeled this Jeep. He showed me every high dollar part he had laying on the shelf and compared them with the match of every mid dollar part he had also on the shelf. I got a real lesson in what was out there on the market. One of the big lessons I got was tire selection. Tires where at the top of his list…then lift options…then protection….then the bedazzle crap that could be added.

I ended up calling him on every item I was about to purchase. I am glad I did, because in the end I did not waste a fortune. So as a little advice…spend wisely and check out my thoughts below.

AEV – they are a great company but expensive. If I was gonna take a real “expedition” (a word that gets thrown around on this site like crazy)…I would purchase their stuff. I would trust that with their research they have designed good stuff.

Rough Country – great products, great customer service, great all around. (I purchased a 3in lift from them and I have beat the crap out it. I stand by their products…wouldn't use there stuff to Antarctica and back, but for the planned trips into the back of the unknown…they work perfect an perform just like the other companies).

BFG – Tires, Tires Tires….everyone who owns a Jeep has the dream of rolling tall and getting noticed. People will say, “no I'm not into the big tire thing”…that is BS. Lets face it …big is sweet looking. But big tires brings on big changes to ensure the rig can handle them. Your choice of 33's is spot on…but as another guy said, you're going to have some rub without a wheel spacer or new set of rims. With that said…AEV rims are pretty darn expensive. They look cool….so that is completely up to the owner. When you think tire selection…I was once told, “if you like overlanding, camping, travel, etc…buy a good tire that you can run into town and purchase if you are on a trip and end up needing a replacement”. BFG's have lasted the test of time in the off-road community because of their durability and accessibility. AT or KM2 can be found at dozens of places throughout the US.

Bumpers, rock gaurds, etc – buy what you like. I like the midrange or custom built stuff. One thing that speaks to me is …”if I break it…will I pay the money to buy it again.” If the answer is no to that question, I usually buy something a little less expensive because I know its more of a “I want to show off that I have this brand”.

Final thoughts – Anybody who has been around Jeeps and beat them up will tell you one thing. “People who say their Jeep drives like a dream are either liars or they have not used their rig for what they built it for”. Jeeps are a square on wheels. When they are lifted they ride a little harder from time to time. When they are beat on…new noises and such come and go. But that's Jeeps…the looks might change…but the base is still a Jeep.

Don't be the guy I see at Sears all the time….He has a 4dr JK with every AEV add-on, every upgrade, and the poor Jeep has never seen anything but the highway on the weekend and a KOA campsite. He could have spent half the money and used the other half to fund a cruise to Alaska and backpacked in Denali…later posting photo's of how “expedition minded he is”. He is also the guy that once told me, “why do you have a tow rope and recovery gear strapped to your hood? Don't you know you're gonna ruin the hood?” Of course I know its f-ing up the paint…but it gets used…all the time and I don't have to dig for it and by Jeep was built for my lifestyle.

Build the Jeep for what you are going to use it for. Any money you can save can be thrown into a nice trip. As you get more comfortable and more daring in your travels…upgrade parts and sell the old on CL or here on the forum. Dream big.........but dream less on how cool your gonna look pulling up to the local REI and people think you're a real outdoorsman.

Last but not least please don't take my words and confuse them with me being a D bag Jeep know it all. I just want to see fellow outdoorsman get out and about and not be persuaded by the “my rig looks so cool” bug. Don't buy into all the hype. But…and I say BUT….if you got the coin to do the do and live the dream…by all means build it, post it, let us drool.

Good luck….I see your in PA, hope to maybe see you around the mountains some day!

Good post, I have 2 Jeeps and can honestly say that the one on 35's is less fun to drive than the one on 33's, but both serve their purpose well. Thankfully I never got into any debt on either of them and have 2 other cars in addition to our Jeeps that get 30+mpg, but do know more than a few guys who have maxed out their credit cards modding their rigs in addition to their $500 a month car payment and can barely afford to put gas in them. I don't see how people can do that logically, or maybe they just aren't using logic.
 

crawler#976

Expedition Leader
We are using the AEV 2.5 XT w/ the correction brackets, and I will rate the ride off highway up there with any of the high end suspensions I've owned. It is so well balanced, and the shocks are nearly perfectly tuned for the JK, it just floats over rough terrain with incredible control. I've had Sway-A-Way/Deaver/Bilstein 5150 and ICON Vehicle Dynamics/Deaver/Bilstein 5100 systems on Tacoma's, and this is better for a lot less money. For tires we're using 285/70-17 Wild Peak A/T's on AEV Savagre wheels, and have zero problems at full articulation both front and rear.

Mark
 

JJBiggs

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Great stuff guys. I really appreciate the honesty. I am happy to report I do not like posers either. I am more the type that prefers functionality and purpose built rigs. Buy the parts I need for the job at hand.

I like the AEV stuff...but compared to others they seem to be overpriced. That causes me to question it. Is it really that good? Are there other brands that offer the same quality for less coin?

Chad
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
I do not have a JK, but on my LJ, I used Currie, Rancho, Rough Country, and AEV. The AEV setup was significantly and noticeably better. Even my kids commented on the improvements (by complaint that the old Brain Shaker part of the trail was gone).

You might get equally good stuff from others at a cheaper price, but you will KNOW that you got a good setup with AEV
 

goldenbeagle

Adventurer
AEV is without a doubt designed at the top of the line. If I had the bills to fund the upgrade I would have. But in the end, I have a rig that takes me to every great place I want to go.

As I said in my post before, I like Rough country products. From the very start this company had the mind set of building a great design that would not hurt the old pocket. This company will also accept returns if you truly are not happy with your purchase. Meaning you can beat on the springs and send them back.

Procomp is over priced and their lifts are crap in my opinion.

Daystar is the K-mart of lifts. Plane and simple.

There is so many other companies...however, they are all pretty much the same.

Buy what you can afford and ensure you have some cash left over to fund a trip and try the rig out. Build from there....
 

goldenbeagle

Adventurer
Thanks...was doing my best to try not to sound like a **********. People sometimes take honesty as somebody trying to be an *****. I just hate to see people fall into the trap and end up wasting money and never get out on the road to enjoy all the hard work.
 

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