The 10 Year Commitment

upcountry

Explorer
Based on your description, the Second Gen Taco is a better fit. My $0.02. More space, more power, more comfortsble for longer drives.

If you feel like a Subaru Forester is like "a box a magician should escape from" then youll feel like a first gen tacoma is "shrink wrapped to your ********".

I thought, when going from a 1998 extra-cab taco, to a 2003 subaru legacy, to a 1989 VW Synco Vanagon, to a 2007 quad cab tacoma (purchased new) over a 5 year period I was bad. I can see we suffer the same problem. The deal I made with my wife when I got the new tacoma was I would own it for 10 years. Now after 5 years I am lusting over a 200 series LC! Still have five years to go, my wife says "better start saving". This is compounded by the fact that she will be going to Japan to tour Toyota facilities this summer as part of her "Kaisen" training for the division of the hospital she manages. I keep telling her..."cant you just bring me home a new 200 after leaving me with kids for 4 weeks"????

Seriously, after having driven both a first gen taco and then eventually a second gen taco I would never go back. Second gens are built very well and I have had less problems with my second gen than I did with my 1998 first gen.

If I was still single and didnt have to carry all my kids crap with me all the time, a first gen taco may be OK - thats how I used to use my 1998 - as an active single guy whose wife occaisionally came along. But, (no offense to all you single first gen owners who claim it to be "plenty big enough") untill you cram a whole family in for an 8 hlour drive from hell, you'll never really know!!!
 

wingysataday

Adventurer
My rig listed below has been the best vehicle ever. Just such a reliable, highly capable vehicle. I average around 16-17mpg all the time with all the armor and crap on it. I plan on keeping mine for at least another 5-10 years. It does everything. Also towing capacity is much better than 1st gen. I think I'm at 6500lbs. Get one with tow pkg so you get the 230amp alternator and tranny cooler. Both generations have a plethora of aftermarket parts. 1st gen are a bit more nimble off road.
 

FAW3

Adventurer
Timely thread...

I have a '95 Chevy 4x4 extended cab pickup truck with the 6.5' bed and an aluminum topper. This truck has served me for 17+ years...still love it, great for camping and forest road running. Tows boats and my utility trailer great. The topper has a rack for our canoe/kayak. Sleeping in the back is great for 2 persons...a little insulation, some lights, it has screened windows, it's just great! Additionally I have had nothing but routine service done other than a rust spot on a door.... BUT- it only has two doors (no small rear hinged doors for easy rear seat access - and this is now a problem as my 2 big teenage kids find it hard to climb back there without a door the wining/drama of who sits back there has finally "got me".

As I look at mid sized 4 door 4x4 pickup trucks...the common 5' bed has me worried....I just love having the ability to lie out in the bed and forgo the tent setup. The Tacoma with the long bed might be an option but having a tough time finding one.

I will say the things I really love about my current set-up include:

The ability to run "top on" or "top off" with a 15 minute effort of removing clamps. The light aluminum cap is a dream...as are the screened tinted windows, some lights and a fan hook up.

61/2' bed...allows you to sleep in a enclosed cap.

Extended cab...just need rear doors now for bigger kids.

Good trailer towing for our boat or utility trailer.

Ability to haul bulk materials...gravel/sand/mulch with cap off.

Easy to carry canoe/kayak on roof of cap.

....So, I'm locked on a pickup over an SUV...
 

p nut

butter
Timely thread...

I have a '95 Chevy 4x4 extended cab pickup truck with the 6.5' bed and an aluminum topper. This truck has served me for 17+ years...still love it, great for camping and forest road running. Tows boats and my utility trailer great. The topper has a rack for our canoe/kayak. Sleeping in the back is great for 2 persons...a little insulation, some lights, it has screened windows, it's just great! Additionally I have had nothing but routine service done other than a rust spot on a door.... BUT- it only has two doors (no small rear hinged doors for easy rear seat access - and this is now a problem as my 2 big teenage kids find it hard to climb back there without a door the wining/drama of who sits back there has finally "got me".

As I look at mid sized 4 door 4x4 pickup trucks...the common 5' bed has me worried....I just love having the ability to lie out in the bed and forgo the tent setup. The Tacoma with the long bed might be an option but having a tough time finding one.

I will say the things I really love about my current set-up include:

The ability to run "top on" or "top off" with a 15 minute effort of removing clamps. The light aluminum cap is a dream...as are the screened tinted windows, some lights and a fan hook up.

61/2' bed...allows you to sleep in a enclosed cap.

Extended cab...just need rear doors now for bigger kids.

Good trailer towing for our boat or utility trailer.

Ability to haul bulk materials...gravel/sand/mulch with cap off.

Easy to carry canoe/kayak on roof of cap.

....So, I'm locked on a pickup over an SUV...

Sounds like a Tundra might be a viable option for you. Longbed Taco double cabs are definitely harder to find.
 

Saguache

Adventurer
Good news, we're headed out to the front range this afternoon and tomorrow morning I'm going to take a look at a '03 Taco. CarFax comes back super clean. Was thinking about testing compression while I'm there. Does anyone have the pressure specs for the 3.4?
 

Saguache

Adventurer
Even better news, I bought it. Last weekend I got to spend some time in both a G1 and G2 crew cab Tacoma and I do prefer the G1 primarily because of the size. In my opinion Toyota just tried to go to big with the G2s. That said the G1 I drove was in great shape although a little higher in mileage than I would have liked. Worked with the guy selling it and knocked down the price a bit. With a bargin in hand I decided this was the truck for me.

I've spent the last couple of days driving it around the Boulder/Denver area (looking for a house to rent in Boulder) and its just super. Thanks again for everyone's advice and help, I think I ended up with a good rig and will soon start a build page.
 

mr.duc

New member
We've met before, but it might be good if I re-introduced myself. My name is Matt and I have a vehicle modification habit. My friends and family have all tried to help me with this problem, but as hard as they try I pick up one car or bike or what ever after another and then begin to tinker with the damn thing until I get tired of it and move on to the next thing. The good news is that I usually learn a lot from each of these little experiments. The bad news is that each and every one of them turn into a whole in the ground where I toss money.

I didn't grow up that way. My Dad who is now 65 still owns the jeep he bought in 1984. You can see it in the image below (that's me in the foreground) on a trip around the Alpine Loop here in Colorado.

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Sure its seen better days, but that rust bucket of a crap heap is still driving over and around and through as well as it did (with perhaps a little less style) back when it was fresh minted off the AMC factory floor.

I've built new, I've built old and the same thing pretty much happens every time. I build for a while and then get bored and sell it.

So, fair friends, I need help. My wife and much better half has given me an ultimatum. Find a vehicle I can be happy with for the next 10 years. So the search begins and inevitably my browser wonders in this direction and I see all the cool things you guys are doing to a variety of vehicle platforms that makes me drool with envy. Pick one, yea right. Ok how in the world am I going to pick one?

I've got a short list of requirements which I've hacked out below. In addition to this its important to note that I have a family. Usually there are three of us -- myself, my wife and our two year old. I have a 15 year old too who comes along when I can get the time from his mother (my ex). And finally, we like to take our dogs with as well (two, medium sized), but one of them is getting older and won't be with us too much longer. Come to think of it, the second won't make it to the end of the 10 year commitment unless she's very lucky, so the dogs coming is sort of temporary. Most of the trips I do in most of the vehicles I've worked on I've been the only occupant (with dogs).

Requirements:
  • Vehicle should be pretty efficient: One of the more recent projects I've worked on was a 1983 VW Diesel L converted to a high top. It got on average about 32 miles per gallon. I know hard to achieve with a gasser, but I'm also not interested in paying for the amount of fuel a full sized, American truck is going to suck down. I will use this vehicle as a daily driver a lot of the time too, so its TCO has got to fall in my family's budget.
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  • Vehicle should be able to seat four comfortably: We can put the dogs in the back. The vehicle is for going from place to place. Its a utility although I don't mind if you like the way it looks. Comfort is important to us, especially me at this point. Right now we share a 2006 Subaru forester which, to me, is a lot like driving a box a magician is supposed to escape. I'm not super tall, but I'm also not super human. Three hours in that vehicle and my legs ache, five and they're numb from the knee down.
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  • Vehicle should be agile for tougher roads (say most Jeep roads) but not a rock crawler: So I've driven a 1969 VW beetle over Engineer Pass. Not easy, but possible. Frankly I don't want to do that again. What I'd prefer to drive over Engineer is something with a little more clearance, potentially a 4x4. It doesn't have to have 33"s, but it would be nice if someday it could take them for instance. I'd actually rather some narrower BFGs with durable rubber. I don't need a super crawler, I'd much rather park it at the trail head and run for a while.
  • Should be able to sleep in vehicle easily in rain, snow, and crappy weather: Here's where I think it starts to get tricky. In the world I'd like to imagine I have an anonymous benefactor who sees what I'm trying to do and supplies me with an ever filling Swiss bank account, a large heated workspace, and more tools than I know what to do with. In this world I can make an RV that makes that six wheeled thing they had on the old Battle Star look silly. In this world, one of the things my wife has said is that it would be super cool if, when the weather ********************** outside, all I had to do to go to bed was slide back between the front seats. Add to this the fact that I have no anonymous benefactor and you see my challenge.
  • It would be cool if parts aren't a nightmare: As cool as the VW was, parts were a freakin nightmare. I mean, have you ever tried to source the little bits of plastic that raise the winder sliders 2 mm so that they click shut? For this reason, I'm apt to chose newer over older. I've missed too many trail races and fun events because I was MacGyver-ing the hell out of something for which I needed a part. No more machine shop specials, no more out of production machines.
  • There should be at least a little aftermarket (here in the US): For somethings I've learned its nice to be able to go to the catalog and just pick out the modification you're looking for. Sure, once it arrives in its brown box you might loose a little knuckle skin getting it in, but you can smile too because you know you're not going to have to weld anything. You don't need an electrical engineering degree to make it work (the diagrams right there with pictures and everything). And there's probably someone on the other end of the phone line who can walk you through installation or whatever because you're too dense to orient the instructions the right way.
  • I should be at least a little familiar with the damn thing: In other words, lower the learning curve. I've messed around with a lot of VWs, Subarus, and Toyotas. Plus I have lots of military vehicle experience from the 90's. I want to be able to look under the hood and know where the water pump is, and potentially why its making that sound when I turn left. I realize that there are some similarities, but then there are some differences between makes and models and even vintages of cars.

My short list of potential vehicles includes these listed below. I keep thinking about candidates, but these are the ones I'm sure can go on the list for research at least.

  • Toyota Tacoma Crew Cab 4x4 G2: I've owned this truck for a little while (then the ex got it and totaled it ... ouch!). It was awesome, not to big, not to gas hungry. Comfortable for me and three other people. Mostly easy to work on, with a fair aftermarket. And I could either build or buy what I need to make it overland worthy. I'm not partial to the G3s although I also haven't driven one, but it appears to me that Toyota decided that what they had wasn't *big* enough and so they changed one of the best things about their older models. The G1s on the other hand quickly run into the parts availability/reliability problem because they're just so old.
  • Toyota 4Runner G2: I've stuck with a 1995 4Runner the longest I've ever owned a vehicle. Had fun with the one I had too. Very similar to the above in the way they work out, although in either case I'd probably take it to a master mechanic and let them give me the grand list of what needed fixing before I really started working on it.
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  • Jeep Wranger Unlimited: Newer and much more expensive, but these are sexy. With an awesome aftermarket who wouldn't want one. But they're also not nearly as efficient as any of the above.
  • Toyota FJ Cruiser: Sexy and new-ish, and after Toyota decided not to make them for the US anymore freakishly expensive. I've always liked these, but I also worry about parts and potential breakdowns in Guatemala. Plus they have the shortest wheelbase of anything on the list. Occasionally I see on that truly looks like its ready to serve, but then I've also seen a lot of them that look like plastic "wilderness man" toys that never make it off pavement.

Your opinions and comments are welcome. Remember I've got to like this car for the next 10 years.

I'm glad to know that there are other Matts out there with the same problem....I go through vehicles like I go through shoes. Only exception is my Ducati; I have owned it for 6 years.
I have also owned a 2003 Dbl Cab taco........should have never sold it. If it was a manual I would have kept it.

Good Luck on your build!
Matt
 

89s rule

Adventurer
I'm glad to know that there are other Matts out there with the same problem....I go through vehicles like I go through shoes. Only exception is my Ducati; I have owned it for 6 years.
I have also owned a 2003 Dbl Cab taco........should have never sold it. If it was a manual I would have kept it.

Good Luck on your build!
Matt

LOL same here my name is Matt too and I have the same issue. Only thing that has helped me some is having a family and having to watch $ more closely. I too wanted a DC 1st gen Taco but I couldn't see paying 2x the $ vs the same year 4runner, so we ended up with a 3rd gen 4runner instead. I ended up with my T100 because it can hold 6 in a pinch and has the same drivetrain as the taco/4runner. The size of the t100 is very similar to the 2nd gen Taco, its nice to have the space for hauling items and people, but I honestly miss my '89 pickup in regard to size, very similar to the 3rd gen 4runner. It all works out. GLad you found what you were looking for, good luck keeping it for 10 years, longest I have owned a vehicle is 7. :)
 

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