huntsonora
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Phallic and flaccid in the same thread Kaisen? I think we've uncovered some underlying issues here and it now makes perfect sense as to why you're always grumpy
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Phallic and flaccid in the same thread Kaisen? I think we've uncovered some underlying issues here and it now makes perfect sense as to why you're always grumpy
Kaisen
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I do tend to get grumpy when people don't care to learn about 'why' and just blindly follow.
Perhaps the sheeple actually prefer big over strong?
These aren't simply my opinions, they are facts on which I've drawn my opinion that I'm sharing with you so you can form your own opinion.
If your opinion doesn't change, that's fine, as long as you actually had an open mind.
If the Tundra and 4Runner are any inkling, the future doesn't look bright for the Tacoma...
..start buying up 1st gens.For $30-40K you can buy 2 or 3 used 1st gen Tacos...
Think you summed up why trucks in general have gotten soft...Americans for the most part have gotten soft.
LOL. True. Its a good life to be sure.
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I much rather have the 70 series over the Tundra, would never work for the American market as a whole though.
I know I know...I am sounding like the Expo sheeple. I just like the basic nature of it, it isn't a luxo-boat like the Tundra.
And yes, I know a regular cab American truck would work just fine, but if we are just speaking Toyota models...LC70 over a Tundra for sure.
Since Toyota is a niche in the US truck market, should of stayed with being a true Japanese "niche" brand, rather than trying to be American.
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LOL. Open minded huh? Seems like your mind is already made up. We get it, you don't like Toyota's. Not a problem. But not sure why you are upset? If you believe it is a 1/2 ton truck, they are selling it as a 1/2 ton truck. Seems like all should be right in your world.
I'll tell you right now, if I had one ton work to do, I wouldn't buy a Tundra, simply for the motor. I'd buy a smoker from Ford or Chevy and get the torque and MPG that comes with it. Really close in price to the tundra too. Since I don't do that work, and I like Toyota's, I'd like to buy a tundra. Good hauler for light duty stuff, fits people comfy, and I can take it camping and hunting.
And yes, warranty does kill the dealerships bottom line, mainly in the parts department. That money comes straight out of their profit margins. When a vehicle is warrantied, the parts come from toyota no cost. Parts sold to customers not on warranty usually have a 30ish % mark up so the dealership can make money. Add in the fact that toyota doesn't pay the shop rates that customers pay for the tech time to fix the truck. This comes straight from a good friend who is parts manager at a local dealership. They really hate warranty work: no money coming in.
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Yeah I dunno, I have had 70's Ford trucks with bench seats, 1st gen 4Runner, 3rd Gen Toy pickup, 1st gen Taco...I never found them to be uncomfortable.
My '02 Trooper is almost too cush for my liking, why the girlfriend drives it more than me...I don't care for it, it is like driving a lazy boy
down the street. The high end interiors like on the 1792(?) Tundra is just ridiculous....who drives those things? Tarted up nancy urbanite cowboys? The
heaviest thing they haul is a 5 gallon bucket of hand cream?
I dunno. I did Ski racing in middle and high school, and messed up my back. My old 87 was excruciating after 3 hours. Even with the SR5 seats with all the adjustments swapped in.
That said, I drive a 99 runner. My take is that after 2002, the 4runner platform went to the birds. They are enormous. I have no problem with a big pickup truck like the tundra, but the 4runner was always a nice, small, nimble wheeling platform. There is a reason I like the small trucks, they wheel pretty good. I just also like the tundra. I wouldn't use it for wheeling or anything like that, but it IS a nice ride.
Actually, after I flat bellied my 87 and it was sitting on 35's (still IFS though), I parked next to a 5th gen at the dealership. the overall clearance difference was obviously wildly different, but the sheer size of the truck was amazing. My truck, on 35's, was 1" lower than the 5th gen at the roof line, while the lowest point on the belly was 1/4 way up the doors. My truck looked like a honda civic next to that thing. So, I'm not a fan of all big vehicles, but I do like the tundra
That said, I drive a 99 runner. My take is that after 2002, the 4runner platform went to the birds. They are enormous. I have no problem with a big pickup truck like the tundra, but the 4runner was always a nice, small, nimble wheeling platform. There is a reason I like the small trucks, they wheel pretty good. I just also like the tundra. I wouldn't use it for wheeling or anything like that, but it IS a nice ride.
Actually, after I flat bellied my 87 and it was sitting on 35's (still IFS though), I parked next to a 5th gen at the dealership. the overall clearance difference was obviously wildly different, but the sheer size of the truck was amazing. My truck, on 35's, was 1" lower than the 5th gen at the roof line, while the lowest point on the belly was 1/4 way up the doors. My truck looked like a honda civic next to that thing. So, I'm not a fan of all big vehicles, but I do like the tundra
Kaisen
Explorer
I like Toyotas just fine. They have their strengths and weaknesses, just like any other brand. The Tundra, however, is not built any 'better' overall than a Ford, Nissan, GM, or Ram. I wish Toyota would actually do what you guys are saying they do, and make a Tundra that is actually better-built and stronger. Like they used to in the early nineties, and like they still do in other parts of the word. Yet ExPoers still "believe"
If you were bashing GM by talking about how Fords were better I could (and would) surely step in to present some data on how that's not the case. Same with a GM guy bashing Fords. Or Nissans. Or Rams. Or Mercedes. Don't believe the hype. Look at the facts.
Because the sheep still all bleat that the Toyota is built like a 1 ton truck with a 1/2 ton frame....
Completely and totally false. The dealer makes more money, overall (total dollars), from warranty work than they ever will from customer-pay failure jobs. Are the margins as great? No. But Toyota DOES pay the dealers a fair and healthy profit for both parts and labor. The parts margins are not zero. But they are not the 70-100% mark up they'd like to see. This comes straight from someone much higher up the chain than a parts manager at a local dealership.
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Well yeah, if your back is screwed...seek comfort.
We did have a handicap van for my wheelchair bound father, have to use a vehicle that fills the needs.
He did drive his F250 HighBoy (with hand controls) for a long time before he had to break down and buy the van. They could dial his medicine in so his legs were stiff enough to stand, grab his wheel chair and throw it in the bed, then he would pull himself in the cab.
Yeah, the 4Runner (Tacoma) have gotten too big. (even though I like the size of the 2nd gen Taco, go figure!) Toyota could of addressed the need for a bigger vehicle with a bigger model such as the Sequoia. I almost feel they have too many SUV/CUV models.
Perhaps they should of stuck with the HiLux, then 1st gen Tundra, and the LC70's for their work truck (ignored the big 3)...kept it "Japanese" if that makes any sense. "Seems" like they have the niche on the hybrid market with the Prius...maybe they could of down that with the trucks.?
Kaisen probably knows what the best selling hybrid is.
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SouthPawXJ
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The Space Shuttle tow was a great bit of advertising.
Towing a space shuttle on an almost flat surface (the bridge has a crown to it) with a specially built rig and only going 300 yards with it. If any of the other automakers would have done it with the same precautions (airing down, extra load in the bed (since there is very little tongue weight with the design of the towing rig, low range, 1st gear), I am fairly certain their "light-duty" pickup could've handled it. Toyota has the benefit of being a sponsor of the California Science Center, which happens to be receiving the Space Shuttle Endeavour.
Toyota was very smart to take that opportunity for the publicity.
Well, different dealerships are run differently I guess. When warranty comes in, the profits drop. At least at the lower levels. Perhaps the dealerships pull a percentage off the top. But no, not completely and totally false, sorry.
As for 1/2 vs 1 Ton, feel free to believe what you wish. Your posts don't seem to have any more credibility than those who have shown pictures of 1 Ton ford parts next to tundra parts. Search around, they are out there. I'm not saying those pictures and comparisons are hard fact either, but you haven't shown any more convincing facts than that. If you had breaking strength tests, or transmission failure data from credible sources, I might be willing to listen.
Anyway, as I said before, I like the Tundra for its looks, and its power with relation to the Toyota line. It is also comfy. I certainly wouldn't buy it for heavy work.
Kaisen
Explorer
Yes, those two highlighted statements are completely and totally false. The dealerships must purchase the parts from Toyota, then bill Toyota at their warranty rate structure which allows a reasonable profit to the dealership. This works the same way at every single Toyota dealership in the United States. Warranty work provides more total revenue and total profit for dealers than customer-pay for failure items out of warranty.
Tundra 10.5" carrier failure (relatively common)
Do a little reading here, won't take long:
http://www.tundratalk.net/forums/tundra-drivetrain/
Your turn, show me these strong (rather than big) parts!
huntsonora
Explorer
This is the exact kind of narcissistic response I would expect from you. You see yourself as the educator and see everybody else as sheep. You are a clown regardless of your "expertise"