Is This Safe? Installer Did a Surprise Body Mount Chop on 2012 4Runner

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This is most definitely less-strong then it was before. That doesn't mean it isn't strong enough, but for the cost of a very small bit of fabrication, I'd prefer the "good as it can be" than the "it'll do" approach. Obviously it's your call, but here's my thoughts -- I shall go over it in the simplest terms possible but i really don't want to be patronizing so please do not read it that way. I recognize these forum posts will exist for who knows how long so I want to be as clear as possible to all, even if it does become simplistic. The explanation is better over a few ounces of irish Whiskey on the back of a napkin with animated hand motions, but I'll do my best here on the ol' interwebs!

If you grab a cardboard box, and cut one of the flaps off, you will have a 1/8th inch thick piece of cardboard that measures 6 inches wide by 10 inches long, lets say. Now, if you bend it on the "flat" part, as if you were trying to fold it in half, it bends very easy. If you try to bend it on the "edge", as if you were trying to tear it in half length-wise, it's very hard to do. Steel works the same way.

In the case of your body mount, it's a matter of what the forces are. The lip that they have cut off is like a cardboard box flap on "edge" -- it's not going to bend very easily. The way they've cut it, your body mount is now basically resting on a "flat" (likely there is an edge on the other side, where the photo can't see, but it's still not as strong as before).

I modified your picture a bit to demonstrate where the forces are going:

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So, gravity means that every bump you go over is trying to get the body of your truck to go closer to the ground -- that's the red arrow. The primary force is pushing down. Every single time you get in, get out, or drive your vehicle, there will be extra force or a push that makes the body want to go in the direction of the red arrow.

Normally, the metal is boxed in -- that piece they cut is like a piece of carboard on edge. It's hard to bend and gives the mount a lot of rigidity. The way they've cut it, there's not a lot of that rigidity left on this side. That means your body mount is weaker and can bend like the cardboard box flap, when laid flat.

When the force is in the direction of the red arrow, in your case, the yellow arrow shows where the force is going and you can kind of see how little steel is supporting the body mount. It's being forced to be supported at an angle, instead of in line with the force of pressure.

If it was boxed in, you'd have the red arrow on the picture essentially trying to bend the steel on an "edge" -- and just like the cardboard flap on edge, the edge bend on steel is a lot stronger than the flat bend.

Your body mount would be a lot stronger -- like a LOT stronger -- if it was boxed in.

Again, I'm not going to say it's not "strong enough" the way it is because it may well be! But it would most certainly be stronger if it was boxed in. For the few bucks in welding, it'd be worth it if it were my rig.

But Bat (the user posting above me) has a lot more miles then I do and it worked for him, so it's ultimately your call! I'm speaking from a place of very limited fabrication and off road time so the advice in the post above is worth less than you paid for it :p
 

DevL

New member
you should look into getting replacement UCA that correct caster caused by the lift. this will also help with some tire clearance on the body mount

body mount chop is really common mod when fitting larger tires. you might be able to fit 285 with stock rims but not with wider and different offset rims you have now

Negative. UCA corrects low caster by moving the upper ball to the rear to add caster. This moves the tire rearward both at rest and under compression. This exacerbates the rub, it does not alleviate it. The OP should be glad the installer took the time to do a free cab mount chop or the tires would be crashing into the cab mount every time he turned and the suspension compressed.

OP, buy some cab mount plates and weld them in. Grind the welds flush and use JB Weld like body filler for any porosity. Use a grinder to smooth the JB and weld and plate, then paint flat back with Rustoleum. It will look stock.
 

SIZZLE

Pro-party
Agree with others. The trimming is needed to fit 33s but the cab mount needs to be boxed in. And they should have let you know before cutting into your frame.
 

thethePete

Explorer
Yeah, I would be losing my **** over them cutting my truck without full and clear consent first and foremost. That said, it's a common mod, but they did a **** job of it. As others have indicated they significantly weakened that mount; if they boxed it back in, it would be fine, but they didn't and now it's weak as hell. I'd be getting them to box them back in for free at minimum. They made permanent, unrepairable alterations to the frame of your truck without you clearly knowing what was happening. This isn't just a trimmed bumper or fender liner, this is a structural component that they chopped up and did not reenforce without your consent. That's messed up, and probably very illegal where you live, unless you signed a work order indicating that you were allowing them to do this (see: full and clear consent).
 

toyotech

Expedition Leader
Negative. UCA corrects low caster by moving the upper ball to the rear to add caster. This moves the tire rearward both at rest and under compression. This exacerbates the rub, it does not alleviate it. The OP should be glad the installer took the time to do a free cab mount chop or the tires would be crashing into the cab mount every time he turned and the suspension compressed.

OP, buy some cab mount plates and weld them in. Grind the welds flush and use JB Weld like body filler for any porosity. Use a grinder to smooth the JB and weld and plate, then paint flat back with Rustoleum. It will look stock.

LCA is adjust all the way forward to try to correct caster but can't.
New UCA moves upper arm to rear of vehicle but LCA is adjusted forward of vehicle thus moving wheel away from body. Also correct castor.


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toyotech

Expedition Leader
Yeah, I would be losing my **** over them cutting my truck without full and clear consent first and foremost. That said, it's a common mod, but they did a **** job of it. As others have indicated they significantly weakened that mount; if they boxed it back in, it would be fine, but they didn't and now it's weak as hell. I'd be getting them to box them back in for free at minimum. They made permanent, unrepairable alterations to the frame of your truck without you clearly knowing what was happening. This isn't just a trimmed bumper or fender liner, this is a structural component that they chopped up and did not reenforce without your consent. That's messed up, and probably very illegal where you live, unless you signed a work order indicating that you were allowing them to do this (see: full and clear consent).

Im pretty sure the op verbally agreed to trimming. Now trimming could be anything but either way a verbal agreement is just as good as a signed one


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thethePete

Explorer
Holds up in court about as well as the paper it's written on. Verbal agreements don't count for anything in vehicle repairs. At least not in any jurisdiction I'm familiar with. Besides, despite what the enthusiast community considers this, in the rest of the world modifying a body mount is not "trimming". Trimming is cutting a bit off a fender or bumper.

Or do you consider a roll-over to be a 'fender - bender'?
 

thethePete

Explorer
Also doesn't change the fact that it is structurally compromised. I think that exceeds any definition of "trimming" and it still wasn't done properly if it wasn't boxed back in.
 

robert

Expedition Leader
They should have told you beforehand (and I'm surprised they even did it given today's litigious society) but honestly, they told you what they did and it's not that hard to fix although I'm kinda surprised they didn't box it themselves. I'd either fabricate some plates myself and weld them in or if you don't have the equipment have them do it. Lots of folks chop their Tacomas for the same reason and there are several threads about it on the various forums, I'm guessing there are threads about doing the 4Runners also.
 
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Utah KJ

Free State of Florida
I worked for a dealership which (before I worked there) used to install 6" lifts on new truck inventory as part of an offroad package that was sold quite often. One day, a customer took his new offroad truck (30 days old) out to the dunes and managed to fold the frame during a day of high-speed offroad escapades. The manufacturer (of the truck) saw a notch cut out of the frame and denied any warranty. The dealership had to buy the guy a new $50k truck and lift kits were forever banned at our establishment.
 

Stifler

Observer
if you box it in it will be fine.... I would lose my **** if someone hacked my rig with out me OKing it. Aside form that, they cut too much in the wrong place. Box it in and demand they compensate you with a set of TC UCAs! LOL
 

toyotech

Expedition Leader
Holds up in court about as well as the paper it's written on. Verbal agreements don't count for anything in vehicle repairs. At least not in any jurisdiction I'm familiar with. Besides, despite what the enthusiast community considers this, in the rest of the world modifying a body mount is not "trimming". Trimming is cutting a bit off a fender or bumper.

Or do you consider a roll-over to be a 'fender - bender'?


dealerships call customer to inform them that they need additional repair over the phone all the time. verbal agreement. now your telling me this wont hold up in court?? if so i just found a loophole to get my vehicles repaired for free atleast once at a dealership.
 

thethePete

Explorer
Yes. And then they get you to sign the authorisation portion of the work order when you get there. Verbal authorization is basically just 'good faith'. You could refuse the repairs after and the shop would be required to undo it. It's a ******** move, but it would hold up. I am a licensed mechanic. I have worked at dealerships. I'm pretty familiar with the general rules about vehicle repair since, y'know it's part of my job. The shop also owns your vehicle until the bill is paid. It's called a mechanic's lein.

I'll say it again. Modifying the frame of a vehicle is not 'trimming' in any part of the rational world. You're picking and choosing what to respond to to try and deflate my argument, that's weak.

This was not trimming nor was it performed correctly. Were this my truck and they didn't expressly tell me they were modifying the frame as part of their 'trimming' I would be going after them. Especially since by not boxing it back in they have compromised the integrity of the mount.

Again, this was not done properly and does not fall under the scope of his consent unless they said they were 'trimming' the frame and he authorized it. That's not how his story reads.
Was I clear enough for you?
 

FordGuy1

Adventurer
dealerships call customer to inform them that they need additional repair over the phone all the time. verbal agreement. now your telling me this wont hold up in court?? if so i just found a loophole to get my vehicles repaired for free atleast once at a dealership.

Verbal agreements for vehicle repair, as long as they are documented, what time, amount, who you spoke to and phone number you called are as solid as written in Ca.
 

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