Expedition Overland - 2015 Season

[Honu]

Kurt my voice was never against you just so ya know

some ideas are great but turn out not so good such as Jar Jar Binks even the best and brightest get it wrong sometimes and without customers voice & feedback

nothing has to fit a mold I meant it more as its not found its place or its feel maybe ? I dont want to say its all over the place as its more trying to be two things but it has to decide what it is !!!
again we have little choices so of course it will be watched and numbers grow but that does not make Jar Jar Binks good since he was watched a ton also you notice jar jar did not make a return I just think some parts ideas should not make a return is more my thinking and was trying to offer feedback to the folks who make the decisions

IMHO expedition 7 is apples to apples its a show about guys traveling in 4x4 rigs who cares how many continents I did see the clips thought they were going to do a full length movie length ?

again I am not bashing it I am loving it just want to see it get better and tighter

 

[CYK]

Bull-loney. Clay loves his gear. And looks for any opportunity to use it.

First ep of the AK/YK series they go for an overnight trip to test the gear. You can see Clay geek out when all the lights are on and the trailer is being used to prepare dinner. He was as gitty as a school girl.

And then the ep with the bear. They go out with all their bear-scare-devices and then Clay says "ultimately, the bear is going to do what it wants." He was looking for any excuse to use that stuff and then admitted it probably didn't really matter.

And as others have said, this season's quota of slo-mo water crossings is ridiculously low. But I guess doing a lot of hardcore 4wheeling when you're several countries and the entire width of your home country away from home is a bit risky.

Sorry, but you just don't get it yet you're not alone so don't feel stranded.

It's the same thing lobbed at eo's development over the years as folks complaining, whining to Toyota how the land cruiser has become a mall crawler, soccer momma embracing vehicle, we demand a poverty rig akin to the 40/60/70/80 series because these are real trucks. Huff puff blow the house down.

Bologna.

I'm all about customer obsession, but any smart decision maker won't/can't listen to all feedback. You accept feedback from people who have credibility.

Toyota's lc and truck sales have been stronger than ever, and globally, they are arguably the most successful truck selling auto company today. Eo's Central America series will be the most viewed ever in its history.

Give it some time fellas. Judge based on the entire body of work and realize they might not be your show (FREE), but that doesn't necessarily mean they haven't succeeded.

Better idea is if you don't like it, grab a go pro, a drone and an iPhone and go film your adventure and show us your idea of awesome. The cloud content distribution services are all there!








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[Viggen]

EO has never been about the vehicles or equipment.

Hahaha, hahahaha. Delusional you are. He is a walking billboard.

So, I started watching with the Alaska stuff. I found lots of stuff comical (damn near coming to tears when a snow chain bends some sheetmetal while driving off road?) but also liked the series. Some of the small things were covered over by good trail riding. I liked the off road stretches and that is what I was hoping for on this one. This season has kind of been a disappointment for me. It really seems to me like a sponsored 16 year olds Instagram set to motion. Food. Selfies. Etc. Just some substance missing from this season.

'We do not want to advertise our presence too much. So, lets wrap the trucks in a custom design that advertises this trip and then carry everything but the chainsaw with us.'

I was hoping for some epic ruins. Kind of like what was seen here when Equipt went into the same area. Kind of hoping for some off road driving. There is some there. Everybody has a different idea of what overlanding is but when you look at what you built, thousands of dollars in fancy lift, thousands in racks, thousands in lights, recovery, tires, etc... you expect/ hope that you will encounter/ see a reason to use it all. Again, maybe that is just me. Almost like the 'Expo' checklist of requirements was completely filled. I honestly think that this trip would have been a lot more interesting if it had been done in a completely stock truck.

 

[Pinstripe]

Exaggerate much?

It was a couple of minutes of teeth pulling, and that included some dialog about it from team members. Was that too much? Some would say yes, others said it was the "best episode to date" (including Season 1) and didn't have any angst about the tooth scenes. It's naive to think any production is going to please all, Clay and team are doing their best to present the story we had and make an entertaining and compelling video, I'm optimistic it's working based on viewership numbers (see my earlier reply for notes on that, episodes are gaining approx. 10k views each week), months ahead of S1 numbers. I'm participating in similar threads in a dozen different places, oddly ExPo is more fixated on the puking and teeth than all others combined? To be fair this thread is the most active thread on the subject outside of YouTube comments themselves.

I believe I was one of those that said this was the best episode to date. :sombrero:

However, you're missing two points. First, those who just say 'great trip/best ever/if you don't like it, don't watch/people should stop complaining/go do it yourself if you think you can do it better/etc...' will watch whatever end product you end up putting out. Ever been involved in focus groups? They are the equivalent of the people that show up to a focus group and are fine with everything. They are easy to please as the bar they set is based on their own bar's level. They are the people that gave you the Chevy Cavalier when Honda gave us the Civic. The editors, like the product planners at Chevy, can either listen to the guys that think everything is great or listen to those that feel the product can be improved and give us the current gen Cruze. You said ExPo has the biggest number of feedback, IMO that's because we're you're focus group and we're you're biggest target market - not just in terms of audience, but in terms of then generating sales of the products by the companies you are sponsored. The second is not the '5 min' but the fact that even when you get some feedback (the YouTube comments seem to mimic the ones here in terms of type and frequency) you guys keep delivering the same thing, ie: things a lot of people would rather not watch. Here's what I'm getting at: The 'I love it' group will watch whatever it is you put out, the rest of us are hoping for a bit more... before we turn the channel. So why not put in more driving sequences and less eating/puking/teeth pulling. It's a win-win!

We know you have no control over any of this, and clearly no one is blaming/pointing fingers, but since no one else from the OE team participates in this thread, we hope the feedback makes it back to those that do.

I can think of a handful of reasons, perhaps they didn't have production worthy audio, it lasted 30 minutes or more so it would take the entire episode which I can assure you would have garnered more complaints, etc. Perhaps the production team didn't feel it added much to the overall story? I'm torn on how and to what depth to answer future questions and comments here on ExPo as it seems some background just opens things up to more shall we say "input" I'm not hear to argue or defend, I'd love for everyone to enjoy the show and hope through my commentary I can help that happen.

It didn't need to encompass all 25 minutes of the episode. That portion, as it was edited, was clearly portrayed as an uncomfortable car ride. Why not use that same amount of time and show us the funny parts?

 

[CYK]

Armchair exec-producing. Lol. Internet. Smh.


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[cruiseroutfit]

...IMHO expedition 7 is apples to apples its a show about guys traveling in 4x4 rigs who cares how many continents I did see the clips thought they were going to do a full length movie length ?

Expeditions7 versus Expedition Overland, totally different animals. XO is working to tell a story, i.e. provide continuity from one episode to the next. That was never a goal with E7, rather it was simply a geographic goal and if a story developed along the way, so be it. Both were fantastic trips with fantastic teams (fwiw I did the NA, Asia/Russia, Aus, Africa & Cen/South America E7 voyages) but filming was a very small part of the game with E7. There has been talk of making a couple hour feature on the E7 voyage, I'll have to ask where things stand on that. I think it is a very neat historic adventure and deserves to be told but it won't focus much on personalities, just a travel log of amazing adventure on 7 continents. Just as a point of reference, SLC to Panama too 8 weeks for Expedition Overland to cover, we did the same thing in about 10 days with E7.

...We know you have no control over any of this, and clearly no one is blaming/pointing fingers, but since no one else from the OE team participates in this thread, we hope the feedback makes it back to those that do.

It has and I do appreciate the feedback. If any new feedback develops I'll certainly pass that along too. Again, I want everyone to enjoy the season and I hope my commentary can usher that along both in explanation here and in feedback to the production team.

 

[BruiserCruiser]

Same here. The micro aggression is in poor taste as well ("btw I bought stuff from your shop...") to inappropriately attempt to put more weight in their critiquing of the free content when they're two completely different threads.

Kurt certainly doesn't have to participate, but he chooses to engage a rather anonymous internet bunch here. One way anonymity. That's pretty brave if you ask me. Let's continue to encourage or take it to pm.

End of day, this isn't Alaska. This isn't Idaho or Montana. This is an entirely new series with a new narrative, new equipment, new sponsors and new people with different perspectives literally and figuratively.

I'm much more interested in this season than any of the others. Why? Because the success of Central America EO is a barometer for future series of this type. Sans corporate involvement, content like this cannot be sustained nor improved upon. YouTube economics doesn't pay the bills even with millions of views each episode. We need scale and to scale you need a broader audience. Winching and rock crawling can only hold their attention for so long. What keeps people coming back for more are the stories. Real life humans dealing with personal challenges and prevailing above and beyond the trail. EO has never been about the vehicles or equipment. It was about real working men breaking from the sheltered/safe cubicle existence to go adventuring with family and friends with little to no dependency on the corporate teat.

The very fact that clay and crew were even able to launch Central America is a tremendous achievement. These are family men with real jobs who probably coordinated this on an insanely demanding, need it done yesterday schedule. Look at that sponsor list alone. Crazy!

I look forward to each and every channel update and will judge the series in whole.

PS - Any Amazon or Netflix execs who can pull some strings here at some point so these guys can consider making it their career?

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I was mentioning his shop because I think they do have top notch customer service and the few opportunities I have had to meet Kurt i missed them, so totally different subject don't get it mixed up.


Just because someone voices an opinion does not make it negative, some people are just voicing what they would like to see more of. If nobody said anything and just said thumbs up to every show or product being consumed where would the progress be in that. It does not mean I am not enjoying the show. It is free content but that doesn't warrant it free from criticism.

Do all you guys work in an environment where nobody can say anything to anybody without getting butt hurt? Grow up.

I think Kurt is doing a fine job answering all of the criticism and it makes sense why the show is the way it is this season.

 

[Rubicon]

Kurt,

Very much enjoying the season! Came to the late - have been "rationing" myself on last season (need to get SOME work done!)

Question, any chance for a "behind-the-scenes" on trip planning & logistics? Fuel stops, which border crossings, planning on how far to go each day, if/when plans have to change "on the fly", things like that?

LOVED the video of the 4Runner builds - giving me lots of ideas on how I want to rig up my next vehicle...

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Kurt,

Very much enjoying the season! Came to the late - have been "rationing" myself on last season (need to get SOME work done!)

Question, any chance for a "behind-the-scenes" on trip planning & logistics? Fuel stops, which border crossings, planning on how far to go each day, if/when plans have to change "on the fly", things like that?

LOVED the video of the 4Runner builds - giving me lots of ideas on how I want to rig up my next vehicle...

Absolutely, logistics were my baby so I'd be happy to give some tip, tricks and updates. Gimme a bit to work something up.

 

[CYK]

I was mentioning his shop because I think they do have top notch customer service and the few opportunities I have had to meet Kurt i missed them, so totally different subject don't get it mixed up.


Just because someone voices an opinion does not make it negative, some people are just voicing what they would like to see more of. If nobody said anything and just said thumbs up to every show or product being consumed where would the progress be in that. It does not mean I am not enjoying the show. It is free content but that doesn't warrant it free from criticism.

Do all you guys work in an environment where nobody can say anything to anybody without getting butt hurt? Grow up.

I think Kurt is doing a fine job answering all of the criticism and it makes sense why the show is the way it is this season.

How about just be thankful for the free content they're providing and cast judgement (if that's your thing) once the season runs its course rather than nitpick episode by episode?

This thread isn't titled feedback for EO armchair producers please chime in.

And Kurt I'll be calling soon about purchasing a 200 series ARB rear bumper and heavier ome rear springs. Many thanks.



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[BruiserCruiser]

How about just be thankful for the free content they're providing and cast judgement (if that's your thing) once the season runs its course rather than nitpick episode by episode?

This thread isn't titled feedback for EO armchair producers please chime in.

And Kurt I'll be calling soon about purchasing a 200 series ARB rear bumper and heavier ome rear springs. Many thanks.



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I don't think I was nitpicking, please look at my original post before opening your mouth. I simply stated what it would be nice to see more of. I never went into detail episode by episode what I did or did not like. Please don't lump me in with how everybody else may be responding.

It is titled: Expedition Overland - 2015, but I guess input and feedback isn't warranted and I apologize, not everything critical is negative.

Geez I only wanted to see more of the vehicles off road I didn't realize it would raise such a huffaballoo!

 

[Pinstripe]

The micro aggression is in poor taste as well ("btw I bought stuff from your shop...") to inappropriately attempt to put more weight in their critiquing of the free content when they're two completely different threads.

And Kurt I'll be calling soon about purchasing a 200 series ARB rear bumper and heavier ome rear springs. Many thanks.

Question, any chance for a "behind-the-scenes" on trip planning & logistics? Fuel stops, which border crossings, planning on how far to go each day, if/when plans have to change "on the fly", things like that?

:iagree:

Absolutely, logistics were my baby so I'd be happy to give some tip, tricks and updates. Gimme a bit to work something up.

:victory:

 

[StomperNJ]

Cruiseroutfit.....any idea who makes the net closed into the doors of the trucks to keep the bugs out with the windows open?


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[vicali]

When do we get to see the wives rally??

 

[cruiseroutfit]

Cruiseroutfit.....any idea who makes the net closed into the doors of the trucks to keep the bugs out with the windows open?


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Rhonda Cahill (Scott's wife) hand made those.