GMT800 Gas or Diesel ??

escadventure

Adventurer
So today I test drove 2 GMT 800's. One was a swank 03 GMC 2500 with 6.0 gas 77k miles- the other a 04 Chevy 2500HD Duramax 148k miles. Roughly same price.

The GMC was very nice but didn't feel much more powerful than my F150 4.6.
The Dmax was an nice/average example of a 148k mile truck and ridiculously powerful...

Given what we on this forum do with our trucks - I'd like opinions about which would be better. (I've never owned a diesel truck before...)

Would you drive either of these to Tierra Del Fuego?
 

ZMagic97

Explorer
I think if you really put the 6.0 to the test you'd be really impressed with it.

I think both trucks are great. However, if the Duramax injectors have not been changed, the 6.0 would be a better truck IMO. The earlier Duramax trucks had injector issues, but still great motors.

If you;re not towing much, the 6.0 would be my pick for overall price, maintenance, use, etc.
 

Colorado_Outback

Adventurer
Look up the repair costs before pulling the trigger on an out of warranty diesel. They are crazy expensive to work on vs gas motors.
 

escadventure

Adventurer
I was definitely planning on having the diesel injectors checked before making a decision.

My biggest concern about the 6.0 gas engine is fuel economy/range between refuels. My F150 4.6 is getting 15.5 mpg fully loaded.
 

ZMagic97

Explorer
I was definitely planning on having the diesel injectors checked before making a decision.

My biggest concern about the 6.0 gas engine is fuel economy/range between refuels. My F150 4.6 is getting 15.5 mpg fully loaded.

A buddy of mine at work with a slightly lifted 6.0 and larger tires gets about 14 on average.
 
I think you should find a truck with an 8.1 :D
But seriously, it all depends on what you're after. The Duramax will have more power and better fuel economy, but are you willing to spend the extra on maintenance that diesels require?

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Burb One

Adventurer
My current 1500 (5.3 Vortec) and my past 6.0 Vortec Suburbans have been the most reliable engines I have ever owned. Both at over 200k miles each, and neither has ever left me stranded due to the engine (or really left me stranded at all).

My 6.0, I would get 15 mpg combined, and my 5.3 I get around 14mpg combined (5.3 is on 33's, lifted and has a ton of expo crap on it) On the highway, both get around 17-18 on long flat straight stretches. Both are around 12-13 mpg around town. Long trips, with 15% of mileage off road, I always seem to average 16mpg.

I don't think, unless you need the power for towing a huge trailer or boat or something, the diesel is worth it for the hit in reliability and maintenance cost for the small mpg increase. My 5.3 tows my 6000lb trailer just fine and I get 10-13 mpg depending on the trip elevation gain, 6.0 would get .5mpg better than the 5.3, with a little less drama while towing.
 
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Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
As far as driving to Tierra del Fuego, do the modern Duramax engines require DEF and low-sulfur fuel? Because that could be an issue outside of the US, I believe. ;)
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I've never been to South America and the only part of Central America I've been to is Costa Rica but I don't recall seeing very many full sized American trucks there. I would think any full sized US built truck would scream "GRINGO MOBILE!" to everyone going by. If you're going to travel to Latin America I would think that sourcing a vehicle in one of those countries might be better, as you could get a vehicle there (most likely a lot cheaper) and it would be more suitable for the roads conditions, as well as being something that you could get repair parts for if you needed it.
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I've seen a little bit of the world - mostly Western Europe, parts of the Middle East, Asia and a little bit of sub-Saharan Africa and the only place I ever remember seeing full-sized US-made trucks in large numbers was in Kuwait. Everywhere else they were as rare as unicorns.
 
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p nut

butter
I would go 6.0 all day, every day. But I don't tow that much.
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Strap a couple gas cans to the roof if you're heading way far into the back country.
 

ZMagic97

Explorer
I would go 6.0 all day, every day. But I don't tow that much.
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Strap a couple gas cans to the roof if you're heading way far into the back country.

Or in the bed. :smiley_drive:

But seriously: my 5.3 gets ok mileage overall, pretty good for lift and tires. I rather throw some spare fuel under inside the camper shell and go all day for my needs vs ownership costs.

Living in Arizona, most diesel owners are owners for looks and bragging rights IMO. I look at how many people used n.a. gas motors for years and realized they were fine. Add modern computers and tuning...well you get the idea.

In short: lots of towing with heavy loads...diesel. Occasional decent loads or rarely/never....gasoline.

My two cents. From a guy who has 2 GMT800 gasoline trucks and wouldn't even straight trade them for a Duramax.
 
Or you could have the best of both worlds... Find a truck with an 8.1! You'll have he rugged reliability of a gasser, and the power of a diesel. Fuel economy may be just a wee bit below your desires though..

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Bushcoat

one trail at a time
I have given this alot of thought as I have both vehicles. The duramax is an 02 extended cab long box 4x4 and the 6.0 is in my 07 crew cab short bed 2wd. I do some towing, my trailer is 26ft (just over 29ft total) 4700# empty

I've had the 6.0 a few years now, it's been a great truck. All I have had to put into it are tires, one wheel bearing/hub, and a battery. Yes, at least a couple exhaust studs have broken, not too concerned about it yet but it's somewhat annoying on a cold morning. The truck is consistently at about 13.5-14 mpg with about 80-85% highway driving. When I bought the truck it had half the miles anything else I looked at and was almost half the price. Duramaxes were still at least $5k more than that with 2-3x the mileage, or there were alot of extended cabs which don't work well with baby seats.

I got the duramax on trade for a snowplow I had on my 99 6.5 diesel. I agreed to take the trade with towing the trailer in mind and having a 4x4 again. Was a good deal I thought, but needed some work. This thing has lead a tough life but the injectors have been changed and it has a newer transfer case. Mostly the work it needed was replaced front fenders, cab corners, rockers, windshield, and needs a flatbed or box. Does need some mechanical work also, but not an overwhelming amount, most people around here turn down buying a GMT800 due to rust, of they just get scrapped/parted.

I've owned half a dozen diesels and as I get older, I realize that they just aren't for me. Living up here in the winter, a diesel sucks. They are always hard to start, always need to be plugged in, never heat up inside unless they are really working, they usually piss off the neighborhood, etc. Around here, fuel and reg gas are usually within 10 cents a liter of each other but diesel fuel usually has the upper hand. Once you factor in fuel treatment and antigel, gas is cheaper. Now, I like to travel in the States often, and fill up in Minnesota often as I'm 40mi from the border, diesel fuel is always more money than gas at least where I go in Minnesota, once you do the exchange rate diesel fuel is about the same cost in Canada and USA, if not more in the States. Gas is always less in the States, even after exchange. Right now it's about 40% less.

Now, I don't care too much about what the gas costs, and how much better the duramax is than the 6.0, do I really save much, do I really get much more MPG out of the 6.6? 95% of my miles are driving, 5-10% or so towing. 6.0 gets about 8mpg towing around here, it's mostly hilly. The thing that bothers me about the 6.0 is lack of power for towing. Granted I have 3.73s and am debating on 4.10 or 4.56, I've debated on a supercharger but I'm not in a hurry, I plan my acceleration based on the hill that needs climbing, etc. What bothers me most about the fuel consumption is not the 8mpg as much as I am in a pretty remote area, but we don't limit our travel to just around here. But around here, station are few and far between, and being in the middle of nowhere, they keep limited hours.

So the mileage is not great in the 6.0, but I don't know how much better the 6.6 is. Certainly not worth the headache, maintenance, repairs on the duramax IMO. Oil changes, filters, etc. I can hop in the 6.0, turn the key on a morning that's -45* and know that it will start for sure. Slowly cranking over, low oil pressure light on and certainly not good for it, I know it won't be leaving me pedaling go work.

Another thing I thought about that 6.0, I was going to buy a 2015 2500hd with the 6 speed. The internet is full of information stating that 6 spd is worlds better than my 4spd. I rented a 2015 2500hd and put 6000km on going to Colorado and back, wanted to check the thing out, see if it was really for me. Message center didn't move off 12.7 MPG and my hand calculated MPG from my receipts was better but not by much. We are also comparing a 2wd, 4 spd, 3.73 gears, shortbed with a 4wd, 6 spd, 4.10 gears, long bed.
I ended up buying a 5.3L, 4x4, 1500 crew with the 6.5' bed and 3.42s. Just couldn't get enough discount on the 2500. We'll see how the 5.3 does with the towing.

In conclusion, I'm still looking for a 2500 8.1L suburban/ Yukon XL.
 

justcuz

Explorer
There must have been a serious difference in gears if your 4.6 felt comparible to a 6.0.
Geared the same a 6.0 should feel much more powerful than the 4.6.

Diesels are great for work trucks, for the average guy who tows maybe 10-15% of the time, a gas engine is a more cost effective investment.
 
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Deleted member 9101

Guest
Another vote for the 6.0. Has one in a work truck and it towed and hauled just fine. Did a CBA and compared it to a diesel when I was shopping and the 6.0 won in the end.
 

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