Tacoma Beast and Company in Utah deface our public lands

IM1RU

Observer



Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm not posting this to continue the public harassment that has been thrown down, but one of our own has done, been party to, and or momentarily been accepting of the very thing we all fight against. Please look at the links listed above, and decide for yourselves. In my eyes, what has happened is totally unacceptable. He can make it right, or at least attempt to, by admitting to the proper authorities what happened, pay for restoration, use his available forums to educate against such irresponsible behavior, and donate to Tread Lightly and Leave no Trace organizations. Trail access is being threatened in Utah, we don't need more reasons for anyone to use against us.

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s.e.charles

Well-known member
...I'm not posting this to continue the public harassment ...In my eyes, what has happened is totally unacceptable. He can make it right, or at least attempt to, by admitting to the proper authorities what happened, pay for restoration, use his available forums to educate against such irresponsible behavior, and donate to Tread Lightly and Leave no Trace organizations. ….

I see a little contradiction in your prose
 

1leglance

2007 Expedition Trophy Champion, Overland Certifie
I expect we will see much worse in the future as the "look at me" folks flock to van life, overlanding and any other hot hashtag
if you want to impact these folks then negative comments in their feeds don't much, negative comments to their sponsors like CBI will really hit them in the pocketbook
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
******? We write letters, call politicians, try to push back on the other side for unilaterally getting 650,000 acres of the Swell closed and designated Wilderness by trying to explain its all inflammatory nonsense. We counter that it was just one person ruining it for everyone and we're on it, we're policing ourselves. But it's not one idiot on Razr anymore. All of this is our own damned fault. I'm so sick of Instagram and Facebook and even these forums and the spotlight they provide.
 

IM1RU

Observer
A few words, shared with permission from the very well spoken, well versed, well educated and very active man who wrote it.


"As the dust settles on this land use debacle I would hope we can all catalog a few take-aways from what has turned into a major social media frenzy. Sadly, these situations often just briefly highlight the issues at hand rather than educate and we find ourselves taking sides rather than taking a stance together. While I don’t condone, appreciate or respect what was done in Moab this last week… I do understand that there are far bigger land access issues that the motorized community as a whole faces. We just lost 70+ miles of OHV routes in the San Rafael Swell. Did you submit a comment? Many of Utah’s BLM districts underwent Resource Management Plan overhauls in the last decade, deciding the fate of thousands of miles of OHV routes. Did you participate in those plans? Each year National Public Lands Day has motorized user groups working with federal land managers to proactively address issues on OHV trails throughout the state. Were you there? I do not want an answer from each and every one of you, rather I’d love for at least some of you to take your visible passion (as shown by the heat of these threads) and work on something bigger picture. Peer enforcement has its place and while not all enjoy these threads, I think many in fact learn from them. But let’s dig deeper, let’s all take a look at our travel on public lands.

Is your travel/impact legal? Have you spent time doing your due diligence? Is the route you plan to take on a legal motorized vehicle use map (Forest Service ands) or Travel Management Plan (BLM lands)? Is the route in an open cross-country travel area? While there is much debate on state vs federal levels about what is open and closed, there are still resolute answers available from the current land manager. The Forest Service, BLM and National Park Service maintain quite decent maps of all legal routes in the state of Utah, have you looked at them? Do you need a permit to film or host a large group event? Do you need to engage the BLM or FS on your planned activity? Can you work a service project or trail cleanup into your planned trail ride?

Is your travel/impact ethical? It can be completely legal to drive a route but perhaps not ethical. This would be the case of doing irreparable damage to a wet road or perhaps tearing up a groomed snow trail used by the snowmobile community. Will your travel disturb wild life? Furthermore will your travel put yourself or someone else at risk?

Will your impact be appreciated by others? This could be trash left in a fire pit, names on rocks, human waste near popular recreation areas or even loud music in a camping area. Put yourself in the shoes of other recreationalists whom can also lay claim to our “public lands”, do your actions deter from their enjoyment? Can common ground be found? User conflicts are a common back country occurrence and it’s naïve at best to assume all users will appreciate the travel of others. If you’re following the law, being respectful and working to respect the use of other user groups, it’s my experience that most of these conflicts can be avoided or deescalated.

So how can you get involved? Great question, I was hoping you would ask. First and foremost, join a 4x4 club or Association with a track record of involvement in these issues. Does your club do service projects on public lands? Do they host training? Become a Utah State Trail Host. This program enables OHV users to be positive peer role models and educators amongst our fellow users and offers you the tools to solve complex issues. Join and support Tread Lightly!, not just through your $$$ but also through your actions, many of which I’ve touched on above. Most importantly, listen for the call and need when important land use issues need your voice. For example just recently the Emery County Land Use Bill was working its way through the political process; post after post was made all over social media asking that OHV enthusiasts make an official comment to the involved politicians. I was impressed by the many letters and comments I saw and can only imagine how much more impact we could have had if twice as many had become involved. If you have a specific recreation area you love to spend time in, join a Trail Working Group (or similar) with the land manager of that area. For example we meet each summer month with the Pleasant Grove District Forest Service staff to discuss access and user issues in the American Fork Canyon area. Working together we have made some great impact and education improvements. I'd love to see that happening at Knolls, Bountiful B, 5MP, Uinta trails, Little Moab (state land fwiw) etc.

About me for those still reading or just questioning “who the hell is this guy”, I’m happy to offer some background on my involvement and passion for Utah’s public lands. For nearly 20 years now I’ve been involved in the Utah land use scene advocating for motorized access to our public lands on local, state and federal level. I’ve served as a land-use officer for several Utah groups, the President of the Utah 4 Wheel Drive Association, a certified Trail Host and a Tread Lightly! Master Trainer. On behalf of the U4WDA I personally worked on 6 of the 11 BLM Resource Management Plans, plans that could have led to thousands of miles of closures on Utah public lands. Through many shoulders, letter writing parties and meaningful research by many, the losses on those RMP’s were minimal enough that anti-motorized groups have taken them to court, we can consider that a win. Let me be clear that certainly don’t know everything and I’m still learning how the system works, how we can best work with users and government agencies to keep public lands accessible to motorized users."

Relevant links:
 

Christian P.

Expedition Leader
Staff member
yep I saw that this morning on Instagram. Let's see where this thread goes. Hopefully this can be turned into a positive learning experience.
 

Tex68w

Beach Bum
The situation sucks and apparently he wasn't directly responsible but nevertheless it was wrong on all accounts. What bugs me about the whole deal is that there seems to be a rush by many of the "social media types" to protect him and his buddy who actually defaced the rock, from the bashing that ensued. They are grown men and they need to face the consequences and subsequent backlash brought on by their actions. Are there bigger atrocities/wrongs and damage happening in our hobby/interest/world, sure, but that's not the particular matter at hand. They should be judged and those that were with him, while not responsible, look just as petulant as the hordes who jumped on the bash pile when they call for the heat to be turned down and attempt to steer the conversation away from what happened.

This story is no different than it was twenty years ago, BLM, resource groups, and tree huggers alike have been trying to close 4x4 trails and OHV/ATV access to public lands for years. Pulling stupid stunts like this tiny, little, almost insignificant in the grand scheme of all vandalizing and defacing incidents, only pours fuel on that fire and adds to the laundry list of reasons why we lose access to lands every year. I hope that we can all learn from these mistakes and put forth more effort in educating others why things like this are wrong and how we can better these lands and attempt to leave them better than we found them. I myself hope to start an annual beach clean up for high school kids in my area. I hope it will instill a sense of pride in their local resource and hopefully become a guide as to how they should respect all natural resources they encounter in their lives. If nothing else, they will help me to keep the beach in my backyard clean and they will get some community service hours towards their resumes for college.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
******? We write letters, call politicians, try to push back on the other side for unilaterally getting 650,000 acres of the Swell closed and designated Wilderness by trying to explain its all inflammatory nonsense. We counter that it was just one person ruining it for everyone and we're on it, we're policing ourselves. But it's not one idiot on Razr anymore. All of this is our own damned fault. I'm so sick of Instagram and Facebook and even these forums and the spotlight they provide.

Wouldn't this forum be to blame first? It was out before Instagram and Facebook. It was the catalyst to make car camping cool again. EP started it and all of the other forums eventually got an Overland section...the Gram and FB took it from there.

Doesn't the general public tend to ruin every little thing that used to be a niche?

Example being: Neck tattoos used to mean you shanked someone in prison, now you could be a sous-chef at an organic GMO free vegan restaurant.... :D


Sooooo, how much time has to pass for graffiti is considered a petroglyph? :p
 

Tex68w

Beach Bum
Wouldn't this forum be to blame first? It was out before Instagram and Facebook. It was the catalyst to make car camping cool again. EP started it and all of the other forums eventually got an Overland section...the Gram and FB took it from there.

Doesn't the general public tend to ruin every little thing that used to be a niche?

Example being: Neck tattoos used to mean you shanked someone in prison, now you could be a sous-chef at an organic GMO free vegan restaurant.... :D


Sooooo, how much time has to pass for graffiti is considered a petroglyph? :p


I agree, I find it hard to even say the word 'overland' anymore out of disgust for what it now represents. In my eyes social media is the biggest problem of it all as the outreach it provides from a single platform is unreal. I know I am getting old now because posts of basically stock vehicles with a set of lights, a hitch shackle and some mud terrains get thousands of likes while parked in front of a coffee shop with 19,000 hashtags and mentions makes me irritated.


Don't get me wrong, we should all take pride in our vehicles and the fruits of our labors, but it used to be that vehicles that were highlighted were highly modified and actually being used off-road or on some excursion or adventure. Now anyone with a near stock vehicle can become instafamous because they take good pictures and pose their vehicles next to their other instafamous buddies on the homeless foot trail in the woods behind their local grocery store. They've been going off-road on weekend day trips for a year and suddenly they are ambassadors for the hobby and subject matter experts on how to recover a vehicle from a mud hole with the use of $7K in niche recovery gear lol. Now we have the masses of uneducated d-bags desperate for likes on the gram willing to shill for free products and a following and that's how we end up with instances like this one.
 

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